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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 14:53:07 GMT
From experience, it seems as if most sites follow a "either or" kind of protocol when it comes to face claims: either animanga or real life ones, but how do people feel about allowing all of them?
Personally I don't really care, and I think that allowing all is a great thing, because then you give people with different preferences the chance to join a site, rather than not joining because the face claim rule don't speak to them and their preference. While I can see that some people might find the mixed face claims off-putting, I also think that those opinions are kind of weird(?), because at the end of the day, roleplaying is about writing and not about what face claim you use to represent your character, right?
Of course, that is just my personal opinion and I'd love to know what you guys think about allowing people to represent their characters however they want on a site, rather than sticking to a set type of face claims.
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Post by Kitten4u on Aug 5, 2018 15:04:39 GMT
I'm the same way. I've joined mixed FC sites before and there's been no problems for me. Only reason mine isn't mixed FC is because my co-admin doesn't like it and describes having kind of a Rodger Rabbit effect. I think people fuss about aesthetic stuff way too much in general.
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Post by 「イオタ」 on Aug 5, 2018 15:11:50 GMT
I first started out in RPs where the only "FC" you could use were your own designs (whether you drew them or asked someone else to draw them for you), and it really didn't matter if you were a good drawer or had a good representation of your char, because at the end of the day we never saw pictures while posting.
Later on, I migrated to RL FC forums and after that, I tried a couple of mixed FCs before because my friends made the boards. In theory, I thought I would like it but in actuality, I hated it. It looked so clashing/disorganised when RL-FC char and animanga-char were in the same thread. Basically gave a Who Censored Roger Rabbit? vibe. Some people are into that or okay with that, I'm not.
I won't join a site with mixed FCs. These days, I won't join a site with RL FCs either because they kind of make me uncomfortable. After about 6-8 years of RPing using RL FCs, it suddenly donned on me that the actor in question can't consent to the type of char I portray them as, and that's why I stopped... because I don't really make nice chars (e.g. wife beater, murderer, et cetera et cetera). >>;;; I might join a site where I have to draw my chars to visually represent them but I'm lazy, so it would probably take me a while.
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Post by Pearlescent on Aug 5, 2018 16:46:52 GMT
I'm personally with Iota in that real-world face claims make me uncomfortable. At first, I couldn't put it into words why, but after seeing her explanation, I now realize why. I also tend to make very... unlikeable characters, and putting a celebrity's face on top of that to represent their appearance seems wrong (and more so if said celebrity is an actual nice person). At worst, it makes me think of the whole Deepfakes controversy that happened a while back (look it up because I'm not going to explain; it's somewhat inappropriate).
With animanga, I'm more on board since, well, the characters I'm using are fictional, unlike the celebrities. Of course, there are cons to that. Animanga face claims don't cater to all appearance types. If I want a character that's a specific appearance, most of the time I'm shit out of luck when searching and either has to go back to the drawing board or scrap the character entirely if I'm dead set on this appearance.
As an artist, I'm sure y'all are also thinking "whaaaa, why would you be for using animanga art when it's technically considered art theft?" Well, it's in a gray area. Yeah, an artist took the time to draw it, but at the same time, it's a drawing of a copyrighted canon character. Soo.... yeah. I don't mind if someone uses fan art I made (just as long as they don't remove the watermark, or if they do crop it out, please credit me, or I will find you).
Now, original art is what I naturally prefer. It allows me to draw my characters rather than using some premade character from an anime. To me, it gives the character more... character LOL considering they're not from any other source material aside from your own. BUT OF COURSE, there is a downside to this too, but it's mostly relating to skill level. I'm sure there are people out there that wanna use original art, but they're just starting out, and thus their pictures are a bit... beginner, let's say. And with the fact that we as humans tend to be drawn to things that are pretty and clean, we might end up distancing a specific character if they're not drawn at least decently.
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Post by Lacuna on Aug 5, 2018 18:30:31 GMT
I personally think there's nothing wrong with mixed claims if it's something you really wanna do. Like, I'd join a site with them if it was interesting enough, but I would only be using animanga myself. I might be shy about plotting with RL-faced characters at first. Not sure. It'd be a cool way of bringing what are usually two separate communities together, anyway. Might even open some members up to using the other sort.
For my sites, however, since my friends and I are only interested in using animanga and I know a large number of people prefer one or the other, I go strictly animanga. Seeking out like minded individuals rather than trying to cater to everyone, basically (not that I'm saying this is your strategy - if you like using both, and have friends on both sides of the fence, I think you should go mixed!).
I'm kind of on the fence about mixed FCs, I guess. The Roger Rabbit effect is something I can get past, but it's visually off-putting at first. On the other hand, I remember the old days where aesthetics didn't matter so much and it was all about the writing. In my first RP, most of us just described our characters with words and didn't even have pictures. Eventually we started throwing random anime pics into our profile/apps/whatever we called them back then. Then I got into forums, learned what face claims are, and never went back.
I've thought about getting into RL faces a few times, but I could never find proper representations for my characters (probably me being biased because most of my characters already have an FC and chances are they have white hair or something which is hard to find RL pics for lmao) and I don't like the idea of every single person in the setting being an airbrushed model. Not that most animanga characters aren't unrealistically attractive too - I just find it weird to stare at an actual person's face when I'm reading an app or w/e. Also notable that I'm mostly only into fantasy and it seems like it'd be difficult to find good RL FCs for characters that like...stand out.
On the other hand, I'm really on the fence about original art. I used to allow it, but a while back, an artist actually came around and asked the person using their art to take it down. We complied, of course, but it was stress that could've been avoided if I just had everyone using FCs (of which there are a vast amount to choose from), so now I disallow it. There's also the fact that the few original art users I've had were likely from the deep recesses of DA and completely fetishized their own character and said things like "my character is better because I actually paid money for the design".
I kind of feel bad for those people who actually shell out money for commissions/make their own art. I'd probably make exceptions for people like that (with proof), but idk. Original art just makes me uncomfortable because of many bad past experiences weighing out the good.
I rambled a bit there, but tl;dr mixed FCs are fine. I know of a few that have been around for a while, like Rise of the Believers & Abstract Reality. There was also...Catch-22, I think? You'll attract tons of players with that freedom -likely people that are more concerned about the writing aspect of RP- if you advertise enough.
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Post by Chibi Magician on Aug 5, 2018 20:15:38 GMT
Well I have nothing against mixed face claims, I personally dislike them because of my imagination process. Having a specific set allows me to imagine the scenario better than with mixed face claims. Essentially, it would break my immersion into the role-play by witnessing mixed face claims which makes it unattractive. By having one set it allows me to visualize the movements and expressions of my characters with a smooth simplicity. This also leads a preference for face claims, but that is mostly because I feel I can get my character's appearance across better by using a face claim so there is a reference should somebody be confused by my descriptive writing. This preference furthers since I would be far too shy to ask somebody to draw my character for me or share art of my character with an audience I am not familiar with; partially because my drawing skills are not well-developed when it arrives to people.
My face claim preference is mostly decided by the fact I know more animanga FCs opposed to real life ones. I am horrible at distinguishing actors and remembering their names while I can match the name of an animated character to their face easier. I can never glance at an actor and say. "Oh, I can see them being NAMEHERE." because my mind simply does not process in that way. Meanwhile, I can smoothly gain ideas for characters from animanga shows based off of witnessing the chosen face claim move and act; by analyzing their style. In addition, my brain imagination does not create realistic people for when I am daydreaming and instead creates animated style images. Even with certain books that display a realism, I sometimes find it difficult to imagine real life faces for the provided scenarios.
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Post by selkie on Aug 5, 2018 21:39:10 GMT
the first RP site i ever joined was technically mixed FC, albeit in the way old sites used to be where you were allowed to use any image you could find (like a dialga gijinka, or some selfie of an emo kid) and it was fine. i don't think i'd join one nowadays because of the lack of consistency others have mentioned -- regardless of how i feel about it face claims have become a linchpin of the forum RP experience, and mixing jungkook and lucina just feels off? it really isn't my thing. there is definitely a place for them in the RP community though, and a site being mixed FC isn't a death sentence for it by any means. i've never quite understood the embargo on member-drawn original art but i also haven't been on a site that allowed it in a long time or had any bad experiences concerning said original art so /shrug. And with the fact that we as humans tend to be drawn to things that are pretty and clean, we might end up distancing a specific character if they're not drawn at least decently. apologies for the tangent i'm about to go off on but this is a really good point and i see this allllll the time in every corner of the community. using an example: in my experience -- italicized, because i'm just one person and not at all omniscient or objective -- the person on the right will get more plots and will stay on sites longer than the person on the left, despite them having the same faceclaim. there may, of course, be other factors at play besides the images (quality of writing, activity level, the personality/maturity level of the user in question) but i know i'm not the only person who's observed as much. i don't have a solution for this problem.
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Post by Jacob on Aug 5, 2018 23:18:22 GMT
My main niche throughout my late teens to mid-twenties is/was non-personified animated films. I portrayed Prince Florian (Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs) (1937) all the time. Because such games were rare, trying to locate a visual for half-personified (the actual character living in dual realities) was nettlesome. I could never unearth one.
About 2010, I took away a high-fantasy seven-year-old half-dragon and made him a nine-year-old werewolf. He was intended for a realistic setting, preferably the Edwardian to Victorian South. Unfortunately, the boy ultimately did not fit anywhere outside, as example, Harry Potter, per searches. I later shelved him after some major falling-outs.
The other original character I crafted was for a Bleach game. Its staff caused most of the member base to leave, but the head found me elsewhere in the mid-2010s. (We privately reconciled.) I had/have one foot in the historical fiction genre and the other, dangling. My adolescent boy was/is a male soprano, made to keep that high pitched voice.
I quit the ani-manga community after 2011, fed up with negative individuals I met over and over. Locating a play-by who looked like etchings and portraits of historical figures was vexing. He (the fashion model) bleached his dark-blond hair, giving a Nordic face I felt to be historically inaccurate. I was/am back now, armed with a proper image.
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Post by Benetnasch on Aug 6, 2018 5:17:58 GMT
I just like a sense of consistency. I've only done a handful of RL sites as opposed to animanga, but the idea of mixing them is a bit jarring to me. It would be...awkward to visualize in my head. Doesn't help that my frame of reference is like... Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract and Cool World. "Noids do not have sex with doodles."
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Post by foxtrott on Aug 6, 2018 6:49:39 GMT
I just like a sense of consistency. I've only done a handful of RL sites as opposed to animanga, but the idea of mixing them is a bit jarring to me. It would be...awkward to visualize in my head. Doesn't help that my frame of reference is like... Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract and Cool World. "Noids do not have sex with doodles." I'm only posting to comment that your taste in movies is as bizarre as ever, Benet, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's seen Cool World.
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Post by gitty on Aug 6, 2018 8:47:13 GMT
I love both animanga and rl face claim sites so I'm happy on either or, but these days lads, I'm just tired and have stopped caring who or what uses; there's too much drama or attention fixated on the 'right' face claim when to me it's just the actual posts that matter. If you're an amazing writer and use Kermit the frog as a face claim hit me up and give me those plots, honestly.
A really cool concept from a site I joined earlier in the year was a place where no face claims were used and instead members used aesthetic images to portray their character and honestly? It was really liberating and a lot of fun, certainly something I wished would become more of a trend.
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Post by Kitten4u on Aug 6, 2018 8:50:54 GMT
A really cool concept from a site I joined earlier in the year was a place where no face claims were used and instead members used aesthetic images to portray their character and honestly? It was really liberating and a lot of fun, certainly something I wished would become more of a trend.
While I don't think I'll ever go full no face claims, I am a firm believer in making them optional. Sometimes it's just too much work to find one tbh
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Post by 「イオタ」 on Aug 6, 2018 15:26:23 GMT
A really cool concept from a site I joined earlier in the year was a place where no face claims were used and instead members used aesthetic images to portray their character and honestly? It was really liberating and a lot of fun, certainly something I wished would become more of a trend.
I saw that! It was cool, but honestly I think it would be harder to find symbolic representations of my chars and especially ones that would actually mean something to others. XD Most of the stuff I saw I did not get how it symbolised X, or at least in what way. That is the beauty of art at least, so it's not a big deal. It was also 100% photos as far as I could tell. I would personally rather use paintings or drawings to represent, or see that as a majority (because I prefer paintings and drawings over photography sorry photography friends, forgive meee). It really is a cool concept, though. I don't think I'd mind it (I think I'd especially like it for a Black Jewels site for some reason XD), but I don't think I could do that for every site or even the majority of sites I join.
Because then I'd have to constantly describe my char in every single thread and that's even more of a pain. -End ramble-
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Post by Ven ☆ on Aug 13, 2018 13:55:27 GMT
I find it easier to use animanga FCs because it’s more readily available, and then you don’t have to contend with a lot of people trying to claim the real-life FC you’re going after.
To be honest I don’t know how I lasted as long on that one HP site I did—they only wanted people using RL FCs, and by the time I got there (was there from 2010 – early 2014) all of the RL FCs I know were either taken or retired due to alumni status.
And then there’s the thing with using RL FCs who… who’ve already passed on. It’s kind of creepy.
Which is why I always default to using animanga FCs. Less fuss, less problems to deal with. (Plus they have easier access to icons and gifs that can be used for signatures, among other things).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 14:22:57 GMT
I find it easier to use animanga FCs because it’s more readily available, and then you don’t have to contend with a lot of people trying to claim the real-life FC you’re going after. To be honest I don’t know how I lasted as long on that one HP site I did—they only wanted people using RL FCs, and by the time I got there (was there from 2010 – early 2014) all of the RL FCs I know were either taken or retired due to alumni status. And then there’s the thing with using RL FCs who… who’ve already passed on. It’s kind of creepy. Which is why I always default to using animanga FCs. Less fuss, less problems to deal with. (Plus they have easier access to icons and gifs that can be used for signatures, among other things). What are your thoughts on mixed face claims, then? You say that you prefer animanga over real life, but what if a site offered both options? How would you feel about something like that? Also, on another note: What if a site used real life face claim as its main, but as a sub-category of the site, there's a virtual world (Be it a chat room, MMO, something else), that isn't the site's main plot, but acts more as an "additional treat" of sorts, that offered animanga face claims as the character's avatar?
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