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Post by 「イオタ」 on Aug 29, 2018 6:25:02 GMT
von I don't really understand the second point. ^^; I'm probably too tired to think. As for cliques... Well, think about it. Even at Pixel, there's one large group of people. We're all familiar with each other. You see the same faces every day. However, if you go to another resource forum (I don't think I can name, but I bet most people here don't even know about it), there's another large group of people, and so on andso forth. So, say I get people together at PP to make and join a site but I only do this at PP. I'm largely leaving out other goups of people from other "homeworlds" (that's what I call PP  It's my homeworld XD). You essentially made yourself a clique because you acquired from one group with potential to leave out other groups. Probably doesn't make sense but... -waves hand- It's only theoretical anyhow. You don't need two different codes for jcink or PB. They both can use [*center]. Just use images instead of html and you're good to go. Not everything needs to be done via coding. Also, you said you'd like to see this as a new trend, which is implying we should follow it. xD Not that it really matters, because I think people are entitled to do what they want when it comes to marketing their board. Your way mightbe smarter and more efficient, my way is probably old school and outdated. Who knows? I'd be greedy and use both, though. ^^; |
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Post by von on Aug 29, 2018 6:32:25 GMT
I mean for forum ads, u need to click on a lot of things before seeing the ad. I may just have worded it terribly. You can use recent but that's sacrificing the sorting system
People joining pp isnt just ab joining on site. U can do that if ure a guest... We have resources and community chats. People joined to access that. Even if that's the logic, i guess it's better to just do affs on pp since people just join on this homeworld to join other sites. However no one does that so yea i guess it's not really true for a lot of us.
There is no such thing as ammassing clique on a directory wherein everyone will just post as a guest anyways.
Pb and jc have different image embedding codes....
I just want to see it..... Obv not everyone would follow. Even trends on skins still have a revolt to this day. If that's the case, should the things on trends i hate to see be followed as well?
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Post by 「イオタ」 on Aug 29, 2018 6:44:20 GMT
Thanks for the clarity, von  Both jcink and proboards can use [img*]link[*/img]. Test out [*center][*img]link[*/img][*/center] and hit send. It'll work. It only changes to [*img src*] if you edit and switch from the preview mode to the bbcode mode (so, I have bbcode mode on default and never use preview). Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. You're my favourite jcink skinner, so it feels kind of weird saying this cuz I can't code for crap but you obviously can, but then you might be more used to Jcink than PB, so... hopefully I'm not being condescending. orz I think you should start it. :3 It would be interesting to see, and I'd definitely support an animanga tumblr directory. All I ask is for an affiliate button, even if it's one-sided like Pixel, so I have an easy way to access it as a tumblr noob, pft /defeats the purpose probably |
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Post by circa on Aug 29, 2018 6:44:28 GMT
i'd actually want to see circular aff buttons. or perhaps even hover aff buttons where if you hover over it, it gives a brief desc of the site (maybe i am getting too ahead of myself, but like, when you hover over it, like a new image pops up and pushes the others away as well??? so its like a nice little gif too???)  ? |
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Post by von on Aug 29, 2018 6:46:34 GMT
「イオタ」 its cool its cool. Also i didnt know that trick. I usually do them differently. Also circa that idea is so fcking neat
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Post by tiefling on Aug 29, 2018 6:53:48 GMT
「イオタ」 von Sounds easy enough to help run, and having more tools is nice. I will smoosh my face into looking at tumblr shit sometime tonight. circa that sounds cool but also I can't code for shit and wouldn't know how to make that accessible to scrubs like myself. More people should utilise that whole 'hover over for alt text' thingie you can do, even if it's... very smol amount of text. This all dovetails nicely into wanting to see the trend of ads having a description of the site along with a nice pretty image doesn't it?
edit: spelling is hard
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Post by circa on Aug 29, 2018 6:57:24 GMT
circa that sounds cool but also I can't code for shit and wouldn't know how to make that accessible to scrubs like myself. More people should utilise that whole 'hover over for alt text' thingie you can do, even if it's... very smol amount of text. This all dovetails nicely into wanting to see the trend of ads having a description of the site along with a nice pretty image doesn't it? edit: spelling is hard
yeah, i realize my wants are a little ambitious. but i wouldn't want things if i wasn't ambitious. but yeah, i think just having a brief desc of the site or its plot would be nice. i think facebook ads put me in a weird place where i don't like giving things my "click" and would rather know what i'm getting into before i commit. |
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Post by 「イオタ」 on Aug 29, 2018 7:00:36 GMT
I think I do like the idea of square affiliates because it's so refreshing, which you can make circular for your board via coding (pretty easy to do, I could show you that with my novice skillz XD) but I can't really imagine people jumping the gun for that. Uhmmm... I think sister sites (which are usually bigger - way bigger - in size are good for the hover thing/more description thing, while normal (smaller) affiliates are good as is (with the tooltips trick. <a href="site link"><img src="link" title="an original sci-fi brawler site with lots of robo-bullfighting" /></a> to make something like...  (hover mouse over picture for example) |
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Post by Pearlescent on Aug 29, 2018 12:12:49 GMT
Woah, what have you kids been up to while I was out? LOL
Ok, so let me chime in here with some clarifications and old woman experience -u-
So! I can see where von is coming from with the Tumblr directory. As someone with Tumblr experience, the site indeed does allow anons to make posts on blogs, and they do give you the option of auto-posting them to the blog or moderating each new post to be sure they don't break the rules. No cliques would be formed, I can assure everyone~ The hashtags are also very easy to use, and you can even further narrow down sites within sub-hashtags (that's what I call them at least), so unless you mislabel your site, I don't think they'd get lost within the ocean of lovely RP ads. Hold on, let me show what I mean real quick:
- #Sci-fi
--- #Superpowers/Superheros
--- #Dystopian
--- #Post-Apocalyptic
- #Fantasy
--- #High-Fantasy
--- #Modern-Fantasy
- #Real-Life
--- #Slice-of-Life
--- #Romance
--- #Idols
--- #Historical
See what I mean? You could have categories, and then sub-categories listed below them, so no one is left behind. I honestly think having a Tumblr directory would be a neat way of getting sites out there.
That being said, affiliates are just as useful. I get it; not all people/site owners will go looking for a Tumblr directory to find/post their ads, so that's where the affiliates come in. It's kind of there as an alternative, another option yeah? They're like a quick way to get from one site to another without having that unnecessary middle step of going to find a directory or google the site. It's like... the directory and affs pick up each other's slack. I don't know, I'm not that great at explanations LOL, but it all sounds pretty good in my head.
「イオタ」, yo that looks pretty cool, having a brief blurb about the site on the aff button. And the code is right there, so it's easy to use now  |
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Post by Kuroya on Aug 29, 2018 12:54:02 GMT
honestly i'd much rather see an active animanga resource community on jcink over an animanga-oriented tumblr advertising directory but that's just me.
personally i think with a tumblr resource, it would depend on how many people actually use it. for example, a lot of the real life versions i follow are more "hey you can submit ads and buzzes once a day and want ads and staff searches once every three days (there's also general questions and interest checks via the ask but that tends to be more rare)" so while it's hard to be cliquey (though not impossible since imo you can delete submissions for a site, so if the staff are doing it because they don't like a certain site or because they're acting on unverified reports of theft, that's not good, so kind of.... it's about as possible to be clique-y as it would be running any kind of resource board with an advertising section), it's more kind of. if there's not actually a significant base of people from animanga on tumblr wanting to use it specifically not just for putting ads out there but also for joining sites back into it.
in other words, if there's only interest to advertise on it with no intent to go the other way around or if there's not a whole lot of people who are wanting to use it to browse through for sites to join, in a lot of ways, it's kind of shouting into the void for no reason. hence why i just stopped advertising my animanga boards through them a long time ago.
......... i know this sounds pretty "no guys don't do it" but tbeh if there's interest, i'd love to see it be a thing, i just wanted to point out kind of... why i think there's never actually been a tumblr advertising directory specifically for animanga before.
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Post by gitty on Aug 29, 2018 12:56:23 GMT
I'm so here for a tumblr directory, the more advertising the better, especially things such as wanted ads etc. which is more accessible for those more interested in a character/plot concept than a general site itself. I think animanga rp is in a bit of a strange position of not existing as its own entity, or being much more insular vs RL sites, but more traffic/exposure to sites = more potential members and a busier community, potentially meaning more sites and variety.
Other Things™:
- Shipper apps: I know some people love them or hate them but I'm very much in the former, plus posting replies in the other person's shipper is The Bomb, it's so much easier to keep organised/clean from a staffing point of view.
- More experimentation with dev threads, pinterest boards, character aesthetics.
- Things for members to interact with other than posts/threads. Writing competitions and sprees, dev contests, lore submissions etc.
- Someone mentioned older characters and I couldn't agree more. I would love to see a greater variation of characters & plots in general from ages to tackling in-depth plots (politics! bureaucracy!)
- More plots, threads, posts, attention for female characters pls & thank.
Edit: I know a lot of the above might seem like 'hey let's be more like RL sites'! I do think the animanga community has kind of halted in place a few years ago. I know a few of my rp friends who made the swap from AM to RL because they didn't think the former was innovative enough, or that RL rps seemed 'maturer' because they were more willing to experiment or jump on new trends, and I'm a Big Fan of seeing if animanga can keep up or even do a few cool things RL hasn't yet.
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Post by Kuroya on Aug 29, 2018 13:10:04 GMT
I think animanga rp is in a bit of a strange position of not existing as its own entity, or being much more insular vs RL sites...
i just really had to quote this out since actually being out of the community and coming back in is so bizarre in a lot of ways since kind of.
animanga is not all that big. it just isn't. not compared to real life anyway. it's definitely bigger than any individual real life fandom per se, but in a sense, it's highly niche and runs on a lot of different rules (ie, embedded discords have largely replaced cboxes entirely, affiliation is actually something most sites go without, jcink is the host of choice and going with much else tends to lose out on a lot of members and resources). it tends to get lumped in with a more "immature" aspect to it (i think because a lot of the younger crowd has an easier time breaking into animanga than real life, but i also find it kind of odd that this is the line of thought since in some ways i think we have to be more mature than the real life side simply because we all have to co-exist with each other in more shared spaces where real life is big enough to actively make vicious feuds turn into all out wars simply because there's room enough to get away with it) and in some ways it is kind of... not necessarily looked down upon but definitely held at a bit more of arms' length.
tl;dr it's a lot smaller and runs on different rules and in a lot of ways, it actually runs behind a lot of the real life trends, and i could ramble for days about some of the reasons why i feel like it might be different since it's all really fascinating to me from a sociological point of view, but. i just. saw this and really had to comment on it oops. uh.
i guess a new trend i'd really like to see is for jcink sites to become more popular on this side of the fence. i love seeing that there's still a really strong drive for them, but they're still not as much umph as proboards, and the coder in me just quietly winces at that since omg i hate coding for proboards so much now that i've seen the light, jcink is so messy for templates, ahhhhhhhhhhh.
literally, if people let me, i would personally write every single possible walkthrough for how to make a transition across, that's how much i have fallen in love with jcink since i switched about 3 years ago, i love jcink that much as a host and dislike proboards that much.
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Post by Pearlescent on Aug 29, 2018 13:16:54 GMT
i guess a new trend i'd really like to see is for jcink sites to become more popular on this side of the fence. i love seeing that there's still a really strong drive for them, but they're still not as much umph as proboards, and the coder in me just quietly winces at that since omg i hate coding for proboards so much now that i've seen the light, jcink is so messy for templates, ahhhhhhhhhhh.
literally, if people let me, i would personally write every single possible walkthrough for how to make a transition across, that's how much i have fallen in love with jcink since i switched about 3 years ago, i love jcink that much as a host and dislike proboards that much.
Honestly I wish PB and Jcink just joined forces and made one big host with all the great things from each side. :I Who is with me? Just wanted to get that out there btw |
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Post by gitty on Aug 29, 2018 13:18:54 GMT
i just really had to quote this out since actually being out of the community and coming back in is so bizarre in a lot of ways since kind of.
animanga is not all that big. it just isn't. not compared to real life anyway. it's definitely bigger than any individual real life fandom per se, but in a sense, it's highly niche and runs on a lot of different rules (ie, embedded discords have largely replaced cboxes entirely, affiliation is actually something most sites go without, jcink is the host of choice and going with much else tends to lose out on a lot of members and resources). it tends to get lumped in with a more "immature" aspect to it (i think because a lot of the younger crowd has an easier time breaking into animanga than real life, but i also find it kind of odd that this is the line of thought since in some ways i think we have to be more mature than the real life side simply because we all have to co-exist with each other in more shared spaces where real life is big enough to actively make vicious feuds turn into all out wars simply because there's room enough to get away with it) and in some ways it is kind of... not necessarily looked down upon but definitely held at a bit more of arms' length.
tl;dr it's a lot smaller and runs on different rules and in a lot of ways, it actually runs behind a lot of the real life trends, and i could ramble for days about some of the reasons why i feel like it might be different since it's all really fascinating to me from a sociological point of view, but. i just. saw this and really had to comment on it oops. uh.
Yes this!! All of this! and I feel like it's a point that could belong in its own thread/discussion entirely, as someone who is part of both communities there's a very distinct disparity that's really interesting? It'd be fascinating to ask someone who solely writes on RL sites what the perspective is on animanga and if there's anyway to 'hook' rpers who usually frequent RL sites to check out an animanga site (tho I think that might just be the marketer in me).
Also it'd be interesting to see what the stats were with how many sites/the size of the community five/six years ago compared to now, because for some reason I remember it being a lot bigger but that just might be me not remembering the scene accurately at the time.
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Post by Kuroya on Aug 29, 2018 13:32:12 GMT
Yes this!! All of this! and I feel like it's a point that could belong in its own thread/discussion entirely, as someone who is part of both communities there's a very distinct disparity that's really interesting? It'd be fascinating to ask someone who solely writes on RL sites what the perspective is on animanga and if there's anyway to 'hook' rpers who usually frequent RL sites to check out an animanga site (tho I think that might just be the marketer in me).
Also it'd be interesting to see what the stats were with how many sites/the size of the community five/six years ago compared to now, because for some reason I remember it being a lot bigger but that just might be me not remembering the scene accurately at the time.
don't encourage me, i will derail this if you give me half a chance to because i really am this fascinated over the whole difference between the two groups.
i mean to a certain extent, you can partway map it a bit by comparing some of the volume of gs vs ww vs p2 now since all three were more or less the one proboards animanga community for a certain period of time and while it's not a perfect comparison simply because they ran for different times and imo gs is gonna have a huge advantage simply in that they predated and continued through the actual v4 to v5 switch for proboards and that resultant scare.
the community is definitely a lot smaller though. definitely. i think because as a lot of the older rpers left, a lot of the newer ones didn't actually swell up to replace them, and in a large sense, i almost wonder if that "pause" (because you definitely hit the nail on the head saying that, in a way, animanga hit pause a few years ago and kind of remained where we were in some aspects) actively stifled some of the growth of the community just because jcink is the roleplay forum host for anything outside of animanga, and in a lot of ways, making that step opens a lot of doors (or to put it differently, as i've seen one of the other roleplayers say on the real life side, "proboards is fine, but after being in the community for a year, you know all of the community" and i feel like that's kind of true).
in a sense it feels kind of like when proboards updated v4 to v5, real life took that as a sign to hard shift over to jcink instead (which is a lot more stable on the admin end tbeh) while animanga dithered a bit over the choice and ultimately figured out how to use v5 and fell back onto proboards for the most part. since then they've both just been kind of perlocating in their different decisions and forming different communities and operating more separately than actually together.
which then makes me wonder whether the pause would have happened if we'd actively updated over to jcink over proboards.
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It's my homeworld XD). You essentially made yourself a clique because you acquired from one group with potential to leave out other groups. Probably doesn't make sense but... -waves hand- It's only theoretical anyhow.
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