May 3, 2021 6:00:53 GMT vvvaporwaves said:

a non-canon pjo/pjo-inspired summer camp rp? im thinking super casual with little/no app and probably more slice of life/summer camp focused than action/save-the-world orientated.

please I want this

May 30, 2021 3:38:25 GMT cae said:

been playing dishonored 1 recently & it's wild how perfectly this game fits my aesthetics. caesthetics if you will
so...something based off of dishonored, :pray:
gimme dark steampunk & weird old gods

i've been craving a steampunk site for a 1000 years ;_; i want to write airship pirates

May 27, 2021 16:48:52 GMT Stallas said:

May 27, 2021 13:24:56 GMT Kay said:

That is understandable. It's easy for threads to get derailed and that certainly isn't OP's fault. The opinions people have stated is also valid and there are indeed toxic or unsavory people in the community.

However, if **all** of these people are indeed toxic, then they also lack self-awareness and will remain clueless about their actions even when vaguely called out through these posts. These sort of posts on a resource site (where people can identify names and sites) affects the admins who ran the site more than the cliques they're talking about.

To say the entire RP experience or site was toxic based on a few members is more likely to hurt the confidence of someone who took the risk to create a site for your entertainment, rather than the rotten few who ruined the experience for some. They're accomplishing nothing positive or bettering the community by doing this. Simply put, it just ain't nice, man.

Unfortunately any thread that invites criticism will hurt someone's feelings somewhere.

A site isn't just the physical site though. It's the community that lives in it. A site and its community have control over each other and it is limited sometimes but staffing is about nurturing and pruning the community too. And based on the comments in this thread it seems like a large amount of the time someone leaves is because they don't connect with that community. And that is extremely valuable information for anyone who plans to run a site, so I think the thread is serving its purpose.

So long as people try to be respectful here I think it is worthwhile for them to be honest and worthwhile for anyone who had been in a position to do something about it to contemplate, did I enable this? What could I have done better?

tl;dr it may not be nice but as long as it's not treated as an absolute and instead as people's opinions, it is valid.

I agree with stallas on so many levels; I understand how much effort it takes to make a site, in fact, even if I haven't had the best experiences on one or two, I still hold them as benchmarks in terms of various parameters - the depth of lore written out, the design, the way they engaged with communities and I always take away the positives.

I don't think most people are referring to physical sites in that thread; the community is an essential part of a site. When you join a site, they might feel cliquey / non inclusive because a lot of people have been writing together for many years. It depends on the person, and unless they're specific, we wouldn't know if its because they couldn't break into a friend circle, or if they actually were victims of some sort of toxicity.

For site owners and creators who this bothers that much, to an extent where it's affecting your confidence, why don't you drop them a message? Ask them. Ask people who leave your sites as to why they left, and only ask if you're willing to listen to the feedback. Remember that you don't ave to react to it. It doesn't have to align with the vision of your site, it doesn't have to always be worked upon, but perhaps it can be used as tool in the future.

I feel though, that when the word toxic is used, there is no judgement on the efforts of the staff, but it does mean certain members / sections of the community. I don't believe that the thread can be used to make people who do not understand the consequences of their actions (or perhaps, do not care) change, or reflect, but rather, it might connect people who have had similar experiences and it can even make the community grow closer through that process of sharing what happened to them.

You will always find people who are mature enough to move on from things, or to understand that site =/= community, that there are two sides to every story, and there will be people who are forgiving. There are also people who aren't - but such is life. If they aren't posting it here, it's not as if people don't know about it.

just to conclude; what Stallas said about remembering that the thread is about people's opinions and not absolute - everyone is entitled to their opinion. remember, the thread literally says - reasons i left, and people don't leave a site only because real life kept them busy or because they lost muse on a personal level. this is collaborative writing - it has a social aspect, and where humans interact, there is often conflict.