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I'm stepping in as there's like 30 reports at this point. I'm locking the thread until I can clean it up- and if this continues then I'm just removing the thread. We've stated multiple times if people can't keep calm heads about this (or be okay with varying viewpoints about credits or whatever other topic), then the conversation can be held elsewhere. We will be handing out warnings/bans behind the scenes, please allow us some time to get everything sorted, clean up the thread, and give it another go.

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Maybe it's a mindset difference, but some of the arguments come across weird.

I totally get wanting to limit character applications if your argument is limited staff time, and you don't want to spend that time on approving characters for people.

But I'm kinda scratching my head at arguments like, to help you keep pace, or teach you how to manage your time, or because you think the dopamine from making a new character is unhealthy. That sounds patronising.

Keeping pace and managing time are personal skills to develop, not to have dictated to you by animanga roleplay site staff members. I certainly don't do roleplaying so I can have someone tell me I can't have another character because you think I need to learn how to efficiently spend my time.

Not everything has to be a race of perfect efficiency, and wasting your own time on your own terms shouldn't be a problem at all. If you, as staff, think approving someone's characters is a waste of your time, you probably shouldn't be staff. (Alternatively, learn how to efficiently use your time to approve characters.)

Likewise for the idea that it's unhealthy to move on from one character to the next. It's great if you're able to maintain focus on one thing and that keeps you happy, but other people suffer shorter attention spans and need to be constantly challenged with something new to maintain that spark. It's fine if you think that's unhealthy, but let's not put ourselves in the seat of mental health professionals and make health decisions for people.

I don't even write many characters, often sticking to one main character and at best two extra characters. That has mostly to do with that the first character will be written to fit many threads, and if I find there's stories I can't tell with that main character, I'll add another one that has a specific other direction to go in. Because those are necessarily more limited in scope, the number of threads I'll write with them will also be considerably less.


The way I see it, if you're concerned with the time it takes to approve a character, maybe try to streamline the approval process to make it easier on staff members and limit the time spent on that. For example, you could ask people to answer two questions in the biography section: "Who was this character before they arrived at location X?" and "What motivated character to move to location X?"

Then you could either ask people to keep the biography strictly to those answers, or as staff just skim the biography to find the answers to those questions and consider mainly those.

"But Traveller, I'm worried they'll write things that break the setting!" Then you either need to define your setting better so people know where the limits are, or you need to let go a bit and accept that, once you throw other writers into the mix, some stuff may need to bend a little.

It's not like staff are infallible: I've seen staff members introduce characters that conflict with site lore or that don't make sense internally. Like the time I saw an admin introduce a character that was homeschooled in their home country, not knowing that homeschooling in said country is a crime.


Addendum: If you want to limit characters, then please let it be for logistical reasons like limited staff time, or because there are limited slots for specific roles, or because lore-wise there shouldn't be that many people. Don't use character limitations because you fancy yourself a head master here to teach people lessons through limitation.


I really have to agree with this- like all points. As someone who doesn't like to be told to do something without logical consistency, the idea that I can't manage myself as an adult who pays taxes, hilarious. I don't mean to rag on anyone here certainly but I refuse to join sites that tell me what I can and can't write with reason to the site's plot itself or that having too many characters is something I need the admins to worry about. I've helped many a admin do app reviews and at most I spent like...a day. However, some people have dyslexia and the like that made it longer. Never did I hear of them complaining about there were too many characters - most people were really responsive, read the profiles, moved on.

The idea of micromanaging to this degree is intolerable to me without a logical reason like above. I do not need to be nannied by the admins. As someone who's had 3 to like 100 characters maxed, I don't see a honest reason besides "time to manage a site" or "I don't like it". The more honest an admin is about something, the more understanding I am about it. This isn't to say that curating your experience shouldn't be on your inclinations or reasoning - but I rarely see that as the case.

The only logical reasoning that I can see restricting character amounts or creating is - I don't like the thing.

Which then leads me to really push people to just say it! "Hey x, I've seen you have been making a lot of characters without posting, I've/we've been concerned about it, and while your profile is fine, do you mind posting on other accounts first?" - while, hard to do, easily lets you and others curate your site. This is YOUR site, curate it however you like! If you don't want weirdmcgee making a character of x type, either it triggers you, you don't like it, etc, deny it. Put in the rules that x is not allowed here. This isn't a diss on those who say x character isn't allowed here or, limited time to do staff and play, etc but acting like it's your sacred duty to nanny others cause you're better at knowing what they need is wild to me anyways.

"What about face claim hoarding" - if you're worried about that, face claim sharing at the start or after x time without the character being active solves that problem immediately.
"Well the dopamine rush." Some people like oranges, some people like skydiving, what they do isn't really harming you if you can keep up with it. If they like something that you don't want to allow, why no handle it on a case by case basis.
"Well I want people to put in what they're taking out of my time to review their 56th cat boy" sounds more appropriate.
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it's been a month and I'm trying to unwind watching a twitch person but now I'm realizing I'm frothing out the mouth because this man is bad at math. it's been an hour and he's just on the same puzzle.

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I've been watching this gaggle of youtube people and I swear it's always something. But also I have...three things left on this project? Four? I'm so close. But of course it's the most intense coding bits I have to do, lol.

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i still don't really know how relics in star rail work and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

(pls don't @ me. i will cry)


honestly, between star rail and genshin I still don't know how to use the optimizer and I've been active for over four years- I refuse to learn any relic/artifact system out of spite.
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yknow, I'm going to do my best to not just completely dump on a design. Cause if it's not for me, it's not for me.

I will absolutely look at you with disdain from my hovel if you use a somewhat transparent + blur option for large swaths of text because I feel like this is a full scale five world war attack to my eyes.

(again to be specific, do it, just don't expect my little eyeballs to read it.)

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well at risk of sounding bitter, talking it out doesn't always work :( . sometimes you dm someone (an admin, another player, whomever) about something and it:

1. gets turned back on you. the person you address with your problem (as they're the source) goes on and on about how sad and anxious you're making them feel by having a problem
2. gets dismissed/completely ignored. you tell staff about [x] member and [x] member ends up getting free reign to do whatever they want, because you're over-reacting, or whatever

if people only speak up after the site's dead and gone, that may be due to past experiences clamming them up. i'm kind of here myself. better to block and move on and maybe go "damn, that was kinda crazy huh" than stress myself out trying to wrangle internet strangers into having empathy




Agreed, as I've run into this a lot. As an admin I understand how hard it is to admin. To feel a bit sore when someone phrases something bad when they come to you etc - so I have a lot of empathy for other admins and members. However, I feel that the second is something I get a lot. I understand admins and members have to work towards being better (though I think it's up to the person, not so the community as a whole) - but the amount of times I have felt ignored by an admin or even told that I'm overreacting is way too much. It's hard to take the hit on the chin but you can always try to make the difference yourself. I block and move on than try to fight a losing fight and there's nothing wrong with that.

edit for clarification: I think that the only time communication besides the two above is pointless is when people make you highly uncomfortable and make prejudiced and even negative statements towards certain things you cannot change. I had a few instances for that and I *cannot* nor *do not have time* for that.
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Yeah, it's not like "write with everyone!" is a magic bullet solution that'll usher in an era of untold prosperity. But there are reasons people flake/ghost, and it's not always because they're wee cunts.

I have been on the side of "ghosting" a site. I'll join a site, write a character, invite people to plot with me, get three or four people to write with, and at some point coincidentally all of them get busy/in a rut and cannot reliably post anymore.

I don't want to take on more threads and wind up in a situation where I'm overwhelmed, because those threads haven't "ended". I also don't really feel like waiting two, three months for my writing partners to return. In those cases, I just quietly dip because I don't want to cause unnecessary drama either by calling them out for posting elsewhere, or by moving on with other threads and getting all those nasty "Traveller isn't interested in our thread anymore!" accusations behind closed doors.


I rarely flake out on sites - I mostly am there till the doors close even if i take small dips due to hospitalization. However I do understand this feeling. While I understand that everyone sometimes has their reasons for dipping - I find that that isn't the reputation that likely follows you. As someone who gets a whole lotta information like some librarian I can assure you it's not. For every 'this person flaked' - I get more of 'this person was mean' 'this person said something that was -ist/-phobic', 'this person used vent channels incorrectly and chose to overshare'.

While this doesn't help what you quoted talk behind close doors - it's something I've experienced a lot of. It's fair to dip quietly or even ask for those threads to be retired/retconned. It's fair to dm them and ask. It's all okay to show our hand a little. I can't say what I would do. I don't know if I would flake or not, newbie or not. I suppose if my characters weren't 8 years old and they aren't going anywhere then it might be different. I don't hold it against anyone flaking due to things. I do think that in this hobby of writing communication we need to be a bit more communicative but also a little bit more honest with ourselves - like the person I quoted (you're very good at wording things friend)

Sometimes you don't wanna wait two weeks for a reply. If you don't want to end those threads and no one's given you the time of day, I get leaving. For me? But also constantly blaming the 'community' for issues you face a lot of the time might not just be them, it might be you. By that I mean, are you being friendly, are your threads having enough to respond to? Are you an uppity and self-absorbed jerk? Like I actually know several names in the community that are known as horrid people. Some people hate me for unknown reasons that they've held grudges for years like purposely telling people never to offer my site or go to any of the sites I ran. That's the kind of things people remember about you - more so than if you flaked - at least imo.
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I prefer smaller communities but I don't go out of my way to shun larger either. However, the attitude is more of an issue for me. What I want out of rp is rarer and rarer it seems and since I really don't care to ask people to budge on it. If we don't jive, we don't jive. I care about reliability, understanding, reading comprehension, more of an informed consent model than others. So yeah, some communities are harder for me to click with. (let's not count all the times people think I'm scary tho) - but rp friends are hard to come by and keep since I think a lot of people want *friends* but they don't even want to try to be acquaintances first. This means feeling each other out, if there's big issues that there isn't friction later, etc.

Like I've known Nightbloom and Sister Ghoul for like 5+ years and I have gone through heck and back with them and our issues. I have people who will randomly message me *months* later and ask 'hey I'm going through a rough time, do you have any cat pics' and I am happy to do so. Just because I don't talk to someone for months/years doesn't mean we can't just stick together like glue again. I am happy I made friends wherever I can whether it's super close or not. Heck, my HUSBAND was from rp, so while it is rarer cause the world is on fire and we're adults, I think we can all make friends. If anyone wants to make friends with me, just dm me and ask me for my discord. lol. I'm being serious.

If I don't answer I'm probably taking care of the 7 kittens I have currently or hospitalized, but yeah. I think that since we all take part in this hobby that sometimes we want a super strong connection right from the get go but I think we can all eventually have that.

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I really do wonder what my two orange cats think of me sometimes. Cause I feel they would love me very much. My tortie on the other hand? We would throw down immediately and I don't judge either of us for that, even if I did bottle feed her.

What's funny is the two torties I'm fostering right now to go up for adoption talk the same amount, but cannot stop wanting pets and cuddles and have no bit of this 'I love you but I will stab you for a single cheerio' that Loki has.