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(yeah i'll come out and say it, that's what i wanna write if i'mma write smut. it is not unreasonable for kinky queer ppl to feel a little cagey when we are pretty routinely harassed about it outside of the RPC, and unfort bigotry does follow inward. I would rather be told "no smut" than write vanilla stuff asd;lkjfsdfj.)

hey dude i mean this in the nicest possible way but have you possibly considered that you're looking in the wrong places for this kind of rp and you could find a lot of very vibrant rp communities that will gladly do this just not in primarily animanga forum rp? this is like the backbone of every mmo rp.
>implying i don't already do this
>implying this is also the only thing i wanna RP

the point is that sites advertise themselves with a system that implies they have no limits and suddenly have limits that were not stated upfront. this isn't just an animanga thing. this is more in the grand conversation of "we should not use the LSV ratings with 3-3-3 as defaults when most sites are not RP'ing at that level and admins do not want to moderate RP at that level."

like i think more sites should rate themselves 2-1-2 because that's comfort levels more accurate, and that's absolutely fine by me tbh. like i'm absolutely fine playing on sites with cool enough prospects that are UPFRONT about not wanting serious sexual content, and will stick to those rules when they're on the table.
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and it's something that's genuinely "ic =/= ooc".
Ok but, realistically, how many people are up to doing this?

I think it's a natural and human reaction to say "If you, random internet person, enthusiastically enjoy writing [thing that is my ick], then I have a low opinion of your taste in general and I don't want to write with you or read anything you write." (I am someone who generally is not bothered by disturbing fictional content, who is well aware of the existence of the "block" button if there are members I wish to disengage from entirely with a minimum of drama - and I definitely don't trust the vast majority of people in my rp servers with the "uncensored version" of all the scenarios I imagine placing my ocs in.)

Maybe it's different if you're already good friends irl, you trust each other not to cross boundaries, you know that they are a whole person whose personality encompasses more than the most controversial topics they want to plot out. But the majority of us aren't going to have that context, which I imagine is why a lot of admins put hard bans on certain topics on their sites in the first place.
eeeeh when the smut i like to write is a common terf/swerf talking point, it's also not unreasonable for me to be cagey about wanting to write power exchange stuff on a site that says it's open to NSFW content and being scared that someone might harass me for it. this is part of why i want sites to be upfront about stuff and why the LSV system isn't useful, because like. I also don't want someone to go "oh i'm fine with all levels of smut :)" and then discover i write BDSM and go "oh god oh god not that not on my site." It's a waste of both of our times on the best case scenario, and on the worst case scenario, suddenly I'm being painted as an abuse apologist or smth.

(yeah i'll come out and say it, that's what i wanna write if i'mma write smut. it is not unreasonable for kinky queer ppl to feel a little cagey when we are pretty routinely harassed about it outside of the RPC, and unfort bigotry does follow inward. I would rather be told "no smut" than write vanilla stuff asd;lkjfsdfj.)

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i WANT aroace rep in my media

But i also viciously want the opposite bc how else am i going to feel like i get it. Not in reality that’s for sure
i'm afraid my only aroace character at the moment is a side character. a Very Important side character, but still a side character. And it's mildly related to the plot that she is, because she's a Crown Princess and doesn't want to get married or have kids (the former being less expected than the latter, as the society tends to revere motherhood), so it's added to some ~political drama~ around the society's values.

Like no one's outright shitty to her about it but there's a bit of discussion around "who is going to be her heir?" and no one's gonna pressure her to do it, and i'm not gonna force her to break her values on that, but. it will lead to stuff.
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so like i guess i should clarify that my issue with ratings is: it really does feel like it's expected for your site to be 3-3-3 or you're restricting creativity, when most sites are not comfortable with that and do not write on that level. which sucks if you DO want to write stuff, because the site rules say "you can do this" but no one really wants you to do it. therefore it creates a meaningless system kinda akin to what PG has become.

to clarify, PG used to mean something in terms of restrictions and ratings, but has become more watered down to the point where now if you don't make a family film PG, you're not making a family film that's going to make money. therefore it kinda turns PG into "the default" and G into something seen as "for babies" and I feel that's happening with 3-3-3.

I no longer use the system and merely outline what my expectations are in levels of content that I do not want to see on my site at all, and what I'm ok with as backstory vs RP plots. I kinda feel like if someone would rather see numbers that are becoming more and more performative and useless by the day, and not "no sexual assault as storyline" written in the rules, they're probably not someone I would want on the site regardless.

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noxus league of legends. canons playable + special "ranking OC" roles to fill out the noxian government. focus explicitly on noxus because i really don't want a scattered RP where everyone just picks their favorite blorbo from league and then we're stuck going "well i'm in demacia and you're in ionia so how do we rp"

alternatively freljord league of legends. i'm debating.

probably just gonna make it a private RP campaign tho so.
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also realistically what's the worst that can happen on an 18+ site, someone writes smth gross involving a kid that isn't real so u ban them and delete the content?

seems like a flimsy reason to ban the other 99.5% of your memberbase from playing characters.

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I don't like child characters unless the site has a timeline feature tbh. If everyone ages, I like kids b/c I like seeing the progression, but if everyone exists in a nebulous "no time moving" sort of deal, I don't want kid characters. To me, the entire point of RP'ing a young character is watching them go from babby to adult.

Like I wanna be clear that I've had RP characters going for 10 years now in certain settings so I'm kinda super in for the long haul. That 14 year old I'm bringing in? The end goal is to see what sort of person they're gonna be at 24.

Also in WoW, sometimes playing with timelines and when a character was born makes some really fun implications for characters (shout out to my 30 year old orc born in Lordaeron-- she was 18 when I started playing her, and I had to make her young during MoP to make her "indoctrination" into the kor'kron feel easier to feel sorry for).
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in terms of ratings... i haven't seen it matter much regardless of the 3/3/3 slap or defining what is or isn't allowed. i've come to experience that there's not really much you can write so long as it makes (1) person uncomfortable. even if it's allowed. i've had people read my posts / threads heedless of the warnings. even to go as far as to block me & complain to staff without a word to me. whether it was from smut or something like an abuse depiction between two adults. :skull:

i could've been in the wrong places. but the current wave has felt very 'walking on eggshells' for some time.
the internet whataboutism has sunken its claws deep into the rp community and it won't let go tbh. having a different opinion or tastes is no longer an individual choice, but is somehow now a moral grandstanding situation. i've seen this a lot in our community, especially in regards to how we talk about content warnings, "adult" content (using a very broad umbrella for "adult" here, not just sexual stuff) and even crediting art. and this is not my way of being like, "those damn kids and their trigger warnings" because i firmly believe that content warnings have their place, but people will go out of their way to be upset fr. like you said, they will read things clearly labeled and still read on because they lowkey think the world revolves around them, and that it shouldn't exist specifically because they don't like it. 

like if i see a site that has rules i disagree with- i don't join it and i move on. but people like this will go out of their way, as you pointed out, to make something that isn't about them, about them. and this isn't to call out anyone specifically, or even to say "all the younger rpers are doing this", because that's not true either. but it's something i have seen become more of a trend recently for sure. my personal favorite is when sites will straight up just tell you that you can't write certain characters or subjects at all. it really puts bees in my bonnet. but you know what i do? i don't join it. i don't talk to the site owners, because it's their site and they can have any asinine rule they want. 

TL;DR a lot of the rp community's issues are a bean soup situation 
I have nothing against sites telling me I can't write certain things so long as it's upfront; sometimes mods do have limits, and I like those communicated. I have certain RP events and situations where I will ban certain content and content ratings b/c sometimes I do RP with minors in my plots and I do not feel like they should be excluded because someone can't keep it in their pants for a single night of RP. If I feel the content is too restrictive for what I want to write, I also won't join it.

My issue is that when sites advertise themselves as being ok with certain content, but turn out not to be ok with it in practice. Even if it's content between consenting adults. I'm waiting for someone to freak out b/c one of my main characters wears an eternity collar. I've already had someone triggered because I changed my character back to a lesbian after we retconned her partner ever being a man and always having been transfem nonbinary. And I'm definitely waiting for the discussions on how trans people shouldn't be in NSFW content at all. I don't even write bigots, but apparently just having characters with odd relationships to queerness and kink is all you really need to get people mad at u!
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i was today years old when i realized the language part of the rpg ratings makes more sense to not just encompass swearing but also extremist rhetoric, bigotry / hate speech, and almost everything other general content warning topic that doesn't fall cleanly under the sexual or violence categories
I think I'm just gonna stop using the LSV thing anyway because most RP sites don't go beyond 2-2-2 and don't actually allow the full range of 3-3-3 content, but if you don't put 3-3-3, people think ur limiting them.

like ppl say they have no language/content limits but get cagey when i have a character that even discusses hate rhetoric. none of the characters believe it, but like. i write characters that are actually impacted by bigotry because i don't relate to worlds without it. and if my trans character just starts mentioning religious extremism/right wing bigotry and how their lives are impacted by it, suddenly the "no limits 3-3-3" crowd starts getting scared.

i have nothing against being told to not write about these sorts of things, as i usually rp in the pg-13 area too, but when i join a "no limits 3-3-3 18+ everything's on the table" site, i kinda expect that.
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I understand the purpose of discussion posts as a requirement for a strictly online class, but they are awful, and I can't wait until I'm done with this class in 3ish weeks.
i hate them for it classes like "talk about this technology that u don't have an opinion on for 300 words" auuuuugh

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realizing i low-key hate baldur's gate 3 and it's not even larian's fault

the game is objectively well made and Larian is objectively talented. i just can't fkin stand forgotten realms.

i wanna go to the alternate universe where rogue trader got baldur's gate 3's budget (and there's also a second lauryn hill album).

Right? I had to leave a D&D game with my friends that was set in FR cos I could not get into the setting at all.
it's frustrating because BG3 is objectively everything a game should be. it's so good. everything about it is so polished and amazing.

and yet i just hate forgotten realms.

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tbh as a long-time DPS player that switched to heals: no one thanks dps players for doing their job, either.

you're more likely to be added by a tank player if you're a good healer than if you're a good dps. you have more selection choices with your group as a healer. even if people do blame you, you can often prove that they're just idiots, and you can just as easily leave and find a new group much faster than any salty DPS ever can. WoW doesn't have a queue system for top content, so you don't really have a penalty for abandoning a party that's screwing up and screaming at you for it. any queued content is so easy that you have to heal like twice in the entire dungeon, and odds are the tank and dps can do that themselves.

the dps experience in wow is having to be 3x as good as the other 20 dps signing up for the same single slot as you. the healer experience is "hi i'm a 2k pres evoker in gear that far outstrips this content, if we end up wiping it's your fault and my damage meters can objectively prove it."one of my spiritblooms full-heals the party in low keys provided people aren't floor-licking. and it really is only low keys where i've had people get salty.

high keys, everyone knows that most shit is like. how do i put this. if ur taking a mechanic ur not supposed to, ur dead. all high key dps got there by knowing how to play the game.

my general advice for healers in mmos, i guess, is to get out of mid-range content ASAP. i promise that healer blaming is often correlated to low skill. i have a general rule that if a dps player says one mean word to me in a M+, I wipe the group and then hearth. i'm not here to be abused by players that know they're walking into avoidable mechanics.

(i have rarely done this, i will note, and i only do it if i'm being flamed. if ur nice about it, i will stay through most wipes.)
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idk if i'll ever finish this site but the one i'm working on only allows images that one has a legal right to use because the entire idea is that it's a "personified spirits panfandom" where the only acceptable characters are within the public domain. and all the skin graphics are either free-to-use web design textures or paintings done by Alphonse Mucha (whose work is within the public domain and thus can be legally used for web design, even commercial web design).

so the idea is that while you can have your own personal headcanon FC, you can't actually use pictures of the FC on the site because photos of celebrities and anime character designs are copyrighted. it just doesn't fit the vibe.

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healer players in mmos are so annoying, like i've never seen a group of people so offended they have to do a job they chose to do.

"waaaah i don't wanna dps when i have nothing to heal" "waaaah i have to do a bit of extra healing to save this dps" "waaaah i have to interrupt a mob because the dps won't" "waaah i have to use party cc" "waaaaah i don't like when the tank pulls big and i have to actually try"

like as a healer, i enjoy doing all of these things? do you just want to get carried and do nothing?
anyone who cries about big pulls past lvl 60 in ffxiv will not survive the winter... i've had tanks turn off their tank stance and pout bc i tapped an extra mob pack over with my dot while playing sage. nobody died. i healed you. you're okay. why are you sulking in the corner with grit off, this is a level 92 dungeon, this is not cutter's cry, c'mon dude

this is coming from a tank (gunbreaker) main though, if my dps aren't using their dash skills to pull ahead for me (dps health bars are extra mit) what kinda dungeon am i running...
I can understand in high level M+ that extra pulls often wipe the party, or if my CDs aren't up, but XIV is a lot more predictable in terms of damage than WoW is. That's part of why i mentioned it's a little easier; it's less "oh this is baby content" and more that XIV tends to design around very clear windows. XIV's design in general is made around the fact that it doesn't allow addons, so the game has to be very clear about mechanics. WoW meanwhile balances everything around the idea that you're modding your game to shit. Neither is inherently Bad or Good, it's just different design principles.

I have been told there is a WoW refugee issue in XIV where healers refuse to DPS. This made me laugh a bit because occasionally you will get WoW healers going "I didn't sign up to DPS!!!" and you look at their content and they only do like, heroics, where you have to cast maybe 2 heals in the entire dungeon. DPS is also a critical part of my healing rotation on a few different healers. Like, this is also why I say healer players are annoying-- I've been dealing with a lot of them complaining over having to do basic shit like maybe cast one DPS spell for a GCD they don't have any healing or setup to do.
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I actually find healing, ESPECIALLY in FFXIV, to be easier than DPS. Something about healing just clicks in my brain, and it just makes sense. someone dies to avoidable damage? i can safely ignore their complaints, not my fault or responsibility. If someone's being a pain in the ass and not clicking their defensives, at a certain point, it's not my job to save them. I'm a 2k healer in WoW and I've healed mythic raids, and I don't worry about the floor eaters. It's not my fault if the DPS die to their own stupidity, and if I can't save them, I don't bother. I also don't have a res that works in battle, that's a mostly DPS and tank feature in WoW these days (unless I'm a resto druid, which I never am. Sorry!). So if you die to smth stupid, I get to leave you there and focus on the other people.

The thing is, in WoW Rn, a bunch of healers are complaining about a mechanic that is super easy to deal with. You can dispel it with a mass dispel, which only 2 healing classes have, or you can just burst-heal through it (and it doesn't stack with incoming damage, so if it happens during an AOE where you have to heal anyway, the affix removes itself). They're talking about how impossible the affix is to deal with, but you look at their keys done and the most they've cleared is a +5. And like, I handle that in 2 GCDs....
That's fair and tbh I respect you for it. Something about healing kicks up my anxiety and I don't want to be responsible for other people. I think mainly my perspective on trying to be a healer has been colored by the expectation that I'll be immediately pounced on for being bad at it. Like...I've seen people dogpile on healers that were trying their best but still new to it and I don't wanna deal with that crap.
yeah i'm at a point in my healer journey where DPS fuckups can't be fixed by me. At a certain point, you can't save a DPS that fails a mechanic. The mechanic just 100-0s them. You can't heal that. It's like. Mid-level healing is actually harder and more anxiety-inducing than high-level healing, because at that point DPS can blame you for their mistakes because you CAN cover their ass.

I've actually been flamed more for bad DPS performance than heal performance, which is part of why I'm more anxious bringing DPS into raids. This is also just a WoW thing, I guess, because everyone has DPS meters. But because of that, everyone can also see who takes the most damage thru a fight and who eats an unavoidable swirly, so I get flamed less as a healer b/c I can back up "you fucked this up and I can't save you." Double-edged sword thing, I guess.

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