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Yeah, there's two different conversations being conflated into one. One is financially supporting/exploiting theft and advertisement of theft services, and the other is being too much of a wuss to ask permission (I am the wuss). The latter can be mitigated by free advertisement for the artists via credits, whereas the former can't be mitigated with proper credits without confronting the theft machine aspect.

Again, it's totally ppls prerogative what they do just like its my prerogative to have my own haterisms. I write with anyone regardless of their imagery idgaf

irl rp... NOW we're talking!!!!

Using art without credit or art that an artist has explicitly said not to repost is wrong. I think the community is getting better about this but we have a ways to go. ALL of us can still do a lot better about it, I absolutely speak for myself as well.

That said, you cannot compare reposting art without credit (wrong) to paying money into a company (that includes using a 'free' app/service with ads) that is stealing (actually stealing) art en mass to reproduce its style meanwhile artists protest and unionize against it. If you repost art without credit, you're being shitty-- if you use AI art, you're actively contributing to taking away artists' livelihoods on the whole. If you're alright with more and more of our consumed content being AI generated, then I guess that the behavior makes sense. This is pretty basic stuff that every single artist you admire has spoken up against.

Seems like the same people saying "both sides are bad" are simply the people who commonly utilize AI art. Just own the fact that you don't support artists and stop pretending that you care about both issues being wrong.


P.S. yep, fully support the idea of a credit field on PP. Will make like Irene and add the credits for my own hover/pfp to my signature today as well. Thanks for sparking a convo on that so more of us credit properly. :thumbsup:

people: editing your pfps in photoshop is just as much art stealing as ai is

me, who just crops and sometimes resizes in ms paint:

(ime, rehosting with credit, i.e. a direct link to where the artist is hosting the art, is no different than sharing a link to the artist's page on discord saying "hey, friends, check out this cool art." it's just more steps to display the art in the proper template size or w/e)

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• I also never watch the anime of my FC because it's just weird for me, & plus I'm worried about being influenced by the original character that the FC comes from.
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I don't believe it was appropriate to make pointed accusations about people who have a different outlook than you just to make a point.

I will not be a hypocrite and admit that I've paid into and used AI generation services (both text and art) for personal use a few times. Would I do it again? Maybe. Though, it depends on how the information it pulls from is sourced. In addition to the usage of AI, I've not credited artists at times due to being unable to find the source or out of pure laziness. However, I don't believe that means I or others that share a similar opinion are 'pretending to care' about it or 'don't support artists' in some capacity.

Even as an artist, I can see where you (and others) are coming from. While I remain firm in my belief that both sides are bad and you can compare both, I think I can agree that the monetization aspect of AI does give it more impact that warrants it to be advocated against.

Alas, it's probably good for me to stop contributing to the ouroboros.

just a note from staff, if people can't discuss this politely in a mutually respectable way - then we will lock and move the thread. I do understand this is a controversial topic and we think conversation should continue but only if it can be in a even debate.

Skin art credits are located in the navigation modal pop-out! Also, fixed up the defunct profile field Image Credits, which should now properly display credits in your user profile (links can be added using the usual [ a href = "" ], as in posts). If you'd like to put credits in signatures so it's visible from the posting area, that's also cool, too - just letting people know there's a dedicated spot for it (as there always was supposed to be, and someone *cough* Leap *cough* just kept forgetting to fix -)

1. If you tell me to draw mickey mouse, i can’t. Because drawing takes skill and practice. Ai art will do that based on the style it has learned from non-consenting artists

2. I can credit the fanart i’m using for rps. Who are you crediting with ai art?

3. Using fanart even with credits is a very grey area already. I will never say it’s completely okay without explicit permission from the artist, which isn’t always feasible. I think that’s already toeing the fine line, and we try to give as much as we take by linking. And when people see the fanart i am using, i can go, “yeah this artist made it! They’re awesome!” But what do you do with ai art? Oh, i generated it with this and this prompt, thanks to the indefinite images it has learned from.

Saying we’re already doing the same thing as ai art and “stealing” is insane. Stealing is literally taking credit but you can’t even claim ai art. No one can. It’s an amalgamation of stolen techniques.

If you’re pressed on using ai art, who can stop you if you’re convinced it’s okay. But don’t put it at the same level as we are doing. In the past, we didn’t even credit. We didn’t care. But now we are trying to show more support to artists. Content creators are insistent on credits. People always try to leave credits in comments. There are various sources used to find an image’s source to find a proper credit. We are trying to improve and go forward.

Ai art is an attack on that.

i used to research about generative AI for my job and im begging everyone to like familiarize themselves with how the technology works before writing an opinion in here, please i am suffering so much. if you don’t know what a “dataset” or “machine learning model” is then please google some more before posting


edit: in case this isn’t clear i mean that generative AI is a mass theft machine, not inherently creative

tbh i've kinda gone to using concept art, images from Magic the Gathering, high quality screen caps, and League of Legends skins rather than fanart drawn by fans when i can't commission art myself.

i need to root out the rest of the images i'm using that aren't just Official Work, but using fanart has kinda made me uncomfortable for a while. Personally, I don't mind if people use my art for role play or discord pfps so long as it's credited back to me (UNLESS it was commissioned; then it belongs to someone else, don't do that). one of my pieces actually made it onto a smogon discord as a sticker. but not all artists feel the same.

my avatars here on PP are art i personally own, of an OC that was custom designed not necessarily for me but given to me all the same (his creator made him before she knew me, and then contacted me asking if I wanted to play him; I named him and here we are, two years later, and i'm still playing him). i've personally found it to be a LOT cooler existing in a space where people draw or commission their own OCs, or make them in dollmakers/heroforge/the sims, than in spaces where people use face claims. ai art takes a massive dump on the concept of making a space friendly for artists, and that's kinda why I'm against it.