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so like i guess i should clarify that my issue with ratings is: it really does feel like it's expected for your site to be 3-3-3 or you're restricting creativity, 
In another stunning show of "Traveller is an impostor and doesn't belong here": I don't even know what 3-3-3 means lmao ;-;
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In another stunning show of "Traveller is an impostor and doesn't belong here": I don't even know what 3-3-3 means lmao ;-;


3-3-3 references the rpg rating system, which is a scale of 0-3 for the language, sexual, and violent content permitted on any given site. it's been in use in the rp community for at least 10+ years, although it's been far more popular in the rl community than the animanga one.

as i stated previously, i think it's a little outdated now, at least in terms of language and sex, since i think the former should be expanded from solely encompassing swearing to also include hate speech, bigotry, extremist rhetoric, cult-like language, and other such topics that would make sense to be classified there + are typically not always directly addressed in site rules (or tend to be dealt with privately after the fact) and the latter doesn't do anything beyond checking off the box for whether or not explicit smut is permitted (such as addressing kink and/or extreme topics).

i will also agree with that these days, yeah, most animanga/rl sites tend to advertise themselves as 3-3-3 or 3-2-3 (based on whether or not they permit smut) but the fact of the matter is that most of them aren't actually free-for-alls the way that 3-3-3 is meant to be (in my opinion, they tend to hover anywhere around 2-2-2 to 2-2.5-2.5, depending on the site).

but idk, maybe i'm the weird one who would actually want sites that are 3-3-3 (or whatever the actual equivalent would end up being) to not have limits, including on all of Super Bad Stuff (tm) that i have negative interest in wanting to write, because i just genuinely don't care about if people want to write the most explicitly gods-awful content so long as they're treating it as the appropriate "dead dove: do not eat" that it is and it's something that's genuinely "ic =/= ooc". i'm just tired, okay, i don't want to have to devote time + energy into figuring out if so-and-so is actually a real predator to be concerned about or if they just happen to write a teenage character being appropriately developmentally horny or some hydra character that's not bucky barnes or whatever other bad-faith judgment call is being made here.

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and it's something that's genuinely "ic =/= ooc".


Ok but, realistically, how many people are up to doing this?

I think it's a natural and human reaction to say "If you, random internet person, enthusiastically enjoy writing [thing that is my ick], then I have a low opinion of your taste in general and I don't want to write with you or read anything you write." (I am someone who generally is not bothered by disturbing fictional content, who is well aware of the existence of the "block" button if there are members I wish to disengage from entirely with a minimum of drama - and I definitely don't trust the vast majority of people in my rp servers with the "uncensored version" of all the scenarios I imagine placing my ocs in.)

Maybe it's different if you're already good friends irl, you trust each other not to cross boundaries, you know that they are a whole person whose personality encompasses more than the most controversial topics they want to plot out. But the majority of us aren't going to have that context, which I imagine is why a lot of admins put hard bans on certain topics on their sites in the first place.
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I'm actually quite curious there, if you'll indulge me. Can you articulate what's uncomfortable about it for you? I don't think there's anything wrong with people writing younger characters--after all, many books featuring young characters are written by adults. So on this case, I have some trouble understanding why it's an issue or concern.

I like writing teenage characters, as I enjoy the more emotional volatility that comes with being young, and I enjoy the bildungsroman genre, so most of the stories I want to tell are like that too.

All the sites denying me that have always made me wonder if I'm unwittingly running afoul of some understanding shared by others but sadly not me.

I'd be happy to learn why this is a concern in the roleplay community.
Again, I'm only speaking for myself, not the RPC. And as someone who actively works with children 5+ hours a day and has experienced so many things good and not so good, I like to separate my online hobby of RP from real life and the many experiences I've had now regarding school-aged children. Not saying all people would make things a little questionable for "plot purposes," but when children are involved, and I have had to sit through 10+ hours of training regarding their safety, I don't jive with seeing them being written as characters for RP.

Also, again, I separate novels from RP just as I separate Pokemon as a video game versus RP. Yes, books have children as characters, but it is a final product that has gone through many, many levels of editing and rewrites. It is not a back-and-forth where there can be some questionable scenarios, and the character is only 12.

I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but as a teacher, I have my own personal limits, and that is why you won't see me on sites with the school as the setting (this goes for specific franchises, too [Harry Potter, etc.]). Just my own personal take. Everyone's going to be different. :)


very late to the discussion but as yet another person working within the education sector i have to third, fourth, fifth idk at this point this pov. i don't necessarily have bad faith that people aren't going to be weird with writing children or necessarily have an issue with them being written, but i personally will steer clear of doing it and most likely will steer clear of sites that allow it. it's more a case of separating irl to RP as well as the safeguarding issues ー and unfortunately, i've had to hear about far too many cases of both ALTs and full time teachers + inappropriate scenarios regarding students as it is. i just don't jive with it now at 27 as i might have done writing a 14 year old or something when i was 14 in the rpc. it's as much a personal limit as it may be other reasons for others
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and it's something that's genuinely "ic =/= ooc".
Ok but, realistically, how many people are up to doing this?

I think it's a natural and human reaction to say "If you, random internet person, enthusiastically enjoy writing [thing that is my ick], then I have a low opinion of your taste in general and I don't want to write with you or read anything you write." (I am someone who generally is not bothered by disturbing fictional content, who is well aware of the existence of the "block" button if there are members I wish to disengage from entirely with a minimum of drama - and I definitely don't trust the vast majority of people in my rp servers with the "uncensored version" of all the scenarios I imagine placing my ocs in.)

Maybe it's different if you're already good friends irl, you trust each other not to cross boundaries, you know that they are a whole person whose personality encompasses more than the most controversial topics they want to plot out. But the majority of us aren't going to have that context, which I imagine is why a lot of admins put hard bans on certain topics on their sites in the first place.
eeeeh when the smut i like to write is a common terf/swerf talking point, it's also not unreasonable for me to be cagey about wanting to write power exchange stuff on a site that says it's open to NSFW content and being scared that someone might harass me for it. this is part of why i want sites to be upfront about stuff and why the LSV system isn't useful, because like. I also don't want someone to go "oh i'm fine with all levels of smut :)" and then discover i write BDSM and go "oh god oh god not that not on my site." It's a waste of both of our times on the best case scenario, and on the worst case scenario, suddenly I'm being painted as an abuse apologist or smth.

(yeah i'll come out and say it, that's what i wanna write if i'mma write smut. it is not unreasonable for kinky queer ppl to feel a little cagey when we are pretty routinely harassed about it outside of the RPC, and unfort bigotry does follow inward. I would rather be told "no smut" than write vanilla stuff asd;lkjfsdfj.)

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i’ve only skimmed this thread bc there are too many posts in it so im just going to drop my opinion about site content tolerance and peace out

keeping a site safe for people is a lot of work. a lot of free labor, even. and having to differentiate between the grey areas of "good faith rping with consent and appropriate tagging among all parties involved" versus "bad faith actors foisting potentially harmful preferences on others with little consideration for consent or safety" is even MORE work. it's work that i'm occasionally (but not always) willing to do as an admin but i completely understand why other people might not want to deal with it. after having staffed a site and nearly died in the process i just think that admins should have absolute say in what they’re willing to volunteer labor for. and if there’s specific food that someone wants to eat, they should buy a premade skin off tumblr and make their own site. in the world of rp you get what you’re willing to put work towards.
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(yeah i'll come out and say it, that's what i wanna write if i'mma write smut. it is not unreasonable for kinky queer ppl to feel a little cagey when we are pretty routinely harassed about it outside of the RPC, and unfort bigotry does follow inward. I would rather be told "no smut" than write vanilla stuff asd;lkjfsdfj.)



hey dude i mean this in the nicest possible way but have you possibly considered that you're looking in the wrong places for this kind of rp and you could find a lot of very vibrant rp communities that will gladly do this just not in primarily animanga forum rp? this is like the backbone of every mmo rp.
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Ok but, realistically, how many people are up to doing this?

I think it's a natural and human reaction to say "If you, random internet person, enthusiastically enjoy writing [thing that is my ick], then I have a low opinion of your taste in general and I don't want to write with you or read anything you write." (I am someone who generally is not bothered by disturbing fictional content, who is well aware of the existence of the "block" button if there are members I wish to disengage from entirely with a minimum of drama - and I definitely don't trust the vast majority of people in my rp servers with the "uncensored version" of all the scenarios I imagine placing my ocs in.)

Maybe it's different if you're already good friends irl, you trust each other not to cross boundaries, you know that they are a whole person whose personality encompasses more than the most controversial topics they want to plot out. But the majority of us aren't going to have that context, which I imagine is why a lot of admins put hard bans on certain topics on their sites in the first place.



gonna quickly clarify since y'know. it's quoting me, it's directly in response to me, and it's definitely putting words in my mouth that aren't actually there.

i'm not saying that you (general) shouldn't be allowed to side-eye someone who wants to write.... honestly, literally anything. heaven knows i would to find out someone was writing, idk, a super in-depth thread about cannibalism (which is one of my big personal "icks"). and it is always (general) your decision to write/interact with someone for any reason, no matter what it is, the same way that it is your decision to place + enforce limits on what you personally are able + willing to write.

what i'm saying is that on a site-wide level, i don't see a problem with permitting even the most extreme content so long as the people wanting to engage with it are taking every single precaution to very clearly label it for what it is, are being conscious about not exposing people to it in unavoidable public areas, and are otherwise just generally able to distinguish the difference between fantasy + reality and keep it that way. or, to put it another way - i should have to knowledgeably open the thread and continue reading past the warnings to find the content, i shouldn't randomly stumble across it in general channels of the discord (yes, including general rp channels), and anyone who is an actual legitimate problem/predator should get yeeted.

(plus, i mean, let's be honest here. even if someone wants to write the most messed up possible content, they would still have to find someone else willing to write it with them. and if by some miracle they do, a lot of the rest of the community they're in is probably going to naturally avoid them for exactly the reason you pointed out. if the person is actually a problem, sure, boot them + delete the content, but like... if it's just a few people existing in a corner doing their own thing + no one is being harmed by it unless they are deliberately going looking to be harmed, i don't feel like it's worth my time as a staffer to intervene + i am going to be massively peeved as a member if a staffer does.)



again, to be clear, i agree with you in that i don't think there's a huge population of people clamoring to write extreme content either (or at least, not in public). no, really, i don't. i truly think the vast majority of people don't want to, and i also truly think that of the people who would, most of them are going to self-censor to some degree specifically out of fear of that side-eye or people avoiding them for it. (plus like imo i do think there is a harm in diluting warnings about legitimate predators in the rpc by co-mingling them with, idk, writing two teenagers being intimate or liking a problematic series or whatever else, but that's a whole different other topic.)

but like, idk. it might be the fact that i grew up in the "don't like? don't read!" era of fanfic (and trust me, i have seen some gods awful stuff posted out there, whether i click on it or not) or maybe the fact that i primarily play canons and thus deal with the additional stupidity of "i don't control how old characters are in canon, i don't control what the actual creators do with the canon story, and i do not control what these creators say or do in their outside lives that might be a problem". but i'd much rather trust in people (who are mostly other adults who have all been saying for forever now that in-character actions/thoughts do not equal out-of-character beliefs/endorsements) to curate their own experiences, enforce their own boundaries with their partners (or non-partners), and otherwise just enable that behavior in others.

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On a tangential note, engaging in these conversations over the past couple months has made me realize that I have a pretty stark difference between what I'm willing to read/be an audience to vs. what I'm willing to plot/participate in a scene as, and I can't think of any system of safety tools (in either the online rpg space or the ttrpg space) that is particularly effective at distinguishing the two short of "please have a conversation about it on a case-by-case basis every single time."

(Like, it's not just smut, but for the sake of argument let's say it's smut. It feels somewhat disingenuous to write "nothing" under my "please warn" when I know I will never be up for writing smut, but at the same time, surely no one would actually pitch a smut thread at me if they didn't already know me and my preferences very well, on account of wanting to avoid above-mentioned shaming?)
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(yeah i'll come out and say it, that's what i wanna write if i'mma write smut. it is not unreasonable for kinky queer ppl to feel a little cagey when we are pretty routinely harassed about it outside of the RPC, and unfort bigotry does follow inward. I would rather be told "no smut" than write vanilla stuff asd;lkjfsdfj.)

hey dude i mean this in the nicest possible way but have you possibly considered that you're looking in the wrong places for this kind of rp and you could find a lot of very vibrant rp communities that will gladly do this just not in primarily animanga forum rp? this is like the backbone of every mmo rp.
>implying i don't already do this
>implying this is also the only thing i wanna RP

the point is that sites advertise themselves with a system that implies they have no limits and suddenly have limits that were not stated upfront. this isn't just an animanga thing. this is more in the grand conversation of "we should not use the LSV ratings with 3-3-3 as defaults when most sites are not RP'ing at that level and admins do not want to moderate RP at that level."

like i think more sites should rate themselves 2-1-2 because that's comfort levels more accurate, and that's absolutely fine by me tbh. like i'm absolutely fine playing on sites with cool enough prospects that are UPFRONT about not wanting serious sexual content, and will stick to those rules when they're on the table.
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(edit: this is more of a thought train in response to what jungler and kuroya were talking about. tho not a direct quote bc i could be missing context.)

(edit #2: not trying to excuse or make light of people who write anything that is illegal (esp. regarding minors) or against proboards/jcink tos. 💀 seeing the reply after mine, not sure if that was towards me or if i gave that impression. what i'm talking about is written topics depicting abuse, mental illness, kinks, racism, etc. within a legal context.)

i can get behind people protecting their own interests and avoiding topics they do not wish to see. whether it skates the surface or so extreme it could be pure unadulterated shock value. there are things i don't want to read or write if i can help it. but i'm such a huge advocate for not assuming bad opinions of people for what they write if it's allowed. unless it's against a rule or the person isn't being responsible (proper labels & warnings, respecting others if they're asked to not discuss it in chat or post in tagging), does it really make them deserving of being shunned or isolated without a second thought?

i would like people to think about that question.

it might be brazen and assuming of me to say but it's reminding me of high school politics. like the 'ick you dress weird and act a little weird' that leads into bullying behavior. even if it's not direct, i think the indirect methods of ignoring and pushing someone away can be just as harmful.

the way i think is: i might not like that some people write unfaithful relationships, but i don't think it's right to assume they're a bad person for doing so. if they aren't trying to force me to like it or participate in those plots, it's not my place to tell them what to do.

again, i completely understand and get behind setting hard boundaries if the person in question is an extreme case of pushing their interests onto people or enjoy writing a concerning topic a little bit too much. that should warrant a bit of 'side-eye' and potential expulsion of the individual off the specific platform. even encouraging them to seek help or alert authorities if it's serious.
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At the end of the day, how it boils down for me is to protect my own board and if that means taking preventative measures to do so, I will do it.

Nothing what I had said in the past is a quip or a blow aimed towards people wanting to write about certain topics, nor was I questioning about intent. The fact that intent, both good and bad can exist, unfortunately means bad intent, however rare it is, will mean that I will not entertain any possibility of that happening.

Yes we can argue about semantics on forum hosts' TOS (iircly for Jcink Premium, no one can really stop you from writing about fictional minors or situations) but in some other countries, like for example the UK, any sort of pornographic depictions involving underaged minors are outlawed. And with how the community is scattered across the globe, it becomes increasingly muddy on how to exactly police this safely while keeping everyone's interests happy.

Spoilers: You can't. So for me, personally, I would not like to take that risk, because that UK law also applies for where I live as well, even if Jcink's TOS says otherwise.
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