write a reply

Site Ratings & Restrictions

sdkvnklweanl;
aliastanzaku, tanz, tan-tan, egao, protag, chapel, tbotc
pronounsshe/her
1,643written posts
offlinecurrently
supermanā€™s sonā€™s boyfriend Avatar
maybe wallace being my fav was foreshadowing
als m the same i love olaying child and teen characters coming if age is still my fav genre of all time and wrtng a ya nove stlo remajs my goal but besides what others mentioned, bad actors are about. I think itā€™s fine if people would rather not deal with the issue for the sake of the kiddos.

My pokemon rp about destroyed worlds and morally questionable mons is gonna be all ages šŸ˜Ž i have some thoughts abt house rules when it comes to minor characters and minor rpers. There ainā€™t gonna be any mature content anyway but my thought is to bring it up with the community anyway and what they think. I personally do not know myself how to deal with kt best so iā€™ll just have to see firsr when we get there if people feel like there should be precautions. The sites iā€™ve been on that allow minor characters were ran by ppl i know and there werent any issues so really depends how confy/confident the folks are

(Also i am half asleep still no glasses sorry if this os rambly)


怐 POKEMON EVOLUTION: TERRORS 怑
(latest update: 8/28 wall of update)
internally screaming
pronounsshe/her
1,847written posts
Nekoearned bits
offlinecurrently
Neko
Administrator
Neko Avatar
stressed, depressed, and probably not well-dressed
as someone who moderates for literally 80 communities at this point - no, I do not want to be with minors (under 18) or people's who's personality could be considered around/under that. It's not that I wouldn't write or talk with them I suppose, but I have to deal with a lot in different communities, I wouldn't want to deal with it with my free fun time. Like I'm not going to treat them badly, but I wouldn't be friends. (it's kinda like all the issues in the yt sphere, it's not that hard to talk to children) I understand the appeal of having childish and impulsive characters - I think that's fun. However that doesn't mean they need to be an actual child/act like an actual child.

sdkvnklweanl;
aliastanzaku, tanz, tan-tan, egao, protag, chapel, tbotc
pronounsshe/her
1,643written posts
offlinecurrently
supermanā€™s sonā€™s boyfriend Avatar
maybe wallace being my fav was foreshadowing
More awake now and not really part of the whole minor char/rper discourse butā€¦ i guess i just have a personal reason why iā€™m driven to provide an environment for young and oldies together. Iā€™m not saying anything about this story in particular!! I just want to share cuz i like sharing stories cus i always think they could be useful materials for other wrtiers hahaha!!

first of i grew up unsupervised as a kid rping in the internet. I think the oldest folks back then in rp sites were 18ish. Some were much older iā€™m sure, but i never interacted with them. i guess it makes sense that most of us rping something like pokemon (the first genre of rp i interacted) were either high school or grade school since the internet was still new.

those years of mine really formed me and made me incredibly happy as a kid and as a writer. No one recognized me and i was emotionally distant from everyone and everything irl, but in those spaces with fellow writers and pokemon fans, itā€™s like being in a safe club where i can be what i want to be.

And during that time, my best friend was someone i met from world of warcraft, an older 20ish guy whose online handle was raekwon, who i would name my dog after. I know itā€™s very sus but my sister knows him at that time anyway and he was very self-aware and never crossed any boundaries. But the way we got to become friends is bc we were rpingā€¦ in wow. AS PIRATES. And we even made a theater and invited people to watch as do aj improv show on that elven bidding house. We hoarded interesting gears for costumes but bc we had so much, we had to use the mailbox to store some of them temporarily. We would be doing so many silly things in the capital that other random people would join in. There would be impromptu rave nights that people would talk about in global chat

I consider that period of my life a small miracle. I was carefree online, but in real life, i was very troubled and in despair. If anything, i wish i was more mature to be a friend to raekwon bc it certainly seemed more one-sided where he was my friend who always listened and played with me but i didnā€™t listen to them as often haha. Itā€™s better to be that way, i suppose, but ofc now that i am older, i can imagine how he must have felt then. I dunno where he is nowā€¦ heā€™d be inā€¦ his 50ā€™sā€¦

Times have drastically changed, especially the online spheres that is also being shaped by the development in the real world. But still, itā€™s always been my hope to give back somehow. A fun small club that is genuine and honest about just having fun regardless of the generation we were born in.

But like i said, iā€™m not saying this should be the norm ro why others should change their mind! Bc i think it really requires one to be responsible and we shouldnt be obliged to create spaces for other people in mind. It ainā€™t easy.

Uhhhhhh i just wanted to share that story i have no point in this post im gonna have coffee now
last edit on Nov 11, 2024 0:39:07 GMT by supermanā€™s sonā€™s boyfriend


怐 POKEMON EVOLUTION: TERRORS 怑
(latest update: 8/28 wall of update)
stultifera navis
aliasnines
pronounsshe/her
583written posts
ninelieearned bits
offlinecurrently
ninelie
Part of the Furniture
ninelie Avatar
VOLITION [Medium: Success]
Also consider: Jcink Premium allowing members to write 18+ content (to a certain degree) can also contribute to the "no characters under 18" rule because realistically, if you're allowing mature content on your forum, you shouldn't have child characters actively being played, because there will be people acting in bad faith and will cross that line even if you want to believe 99% of your members won't.
last edit on Nov 11, 2024 0:51:16 GMT by ninelie
pronounshe/him
818written posts
illidan mainearned bits
offlinecurrently
illidan main
Part of the Furniture
illidan main Avatar
I don't like child characters unless the site has a timeline feature tbh. If everyone ages, I like kids b/c I like seeing the progression, but if everyone exists in a nebulous "no time moving" sort of deal, I don't want kid characters. To me, the entire point of RP'ing a young character is watching them go from babby to adult.

Like I wanna be clear that I've had RP characters going for 10 years now in certain settings so I'm kinda super in for the long haul. That 14 year old I'm bringing in? The end goal is to see what sort of person they're gonna be at 24.

Also in WoW, sometimes playing with timelines and when a character was born makes some really fun implications for characters (shout out to my 30 year old orc born in Lordaeron-- she was 18 when I started playing her, and I had to make her young during MoP to make her "indoctrination" into the kor'kron feel easier to feel sorry for).
last edit on Nov 11, 2024 1:54:18 GMT by illidan main

avatar and hover by phobic art, commissioned for me
Rodent King
aliasditz
pronounsMale
1,750written posts
Mouseearned bits
offlinecurrently
Mouse
Part of the Furniture
Mouse Avatar
where fears and lies melt away.
@ the child character discussion.

I played a 10 year old on Hoenn about a year ago for another member. It was their son, and honestly? It was a lot of fun to write that little shitter. A lot of interesting family plots got to happy that wouldn't have if the character HADN'T been so young.

Definitely something that needs to be approached carefully, but idk - limiting it seems weird to me.

Remove the bad apples if they show up but don't immediately assume everyone wants to be weird??? Cause something like that never crossed my mind while writing the character.
299written posts
travellerearned bits
offlinecurrently
traveller
Senior Member
traveller Avatar
Mouse Avatar
@ the child character discussion.

I played a 10 year old on Hoenn about a year ago for another member. It was their son, and honestly? It was a lot of fun to write that little shitter. A lot of interesting family plots got to happy that wouldn't have if the character HADN'T been so young.

Definitely something that needs to be approached carefully, but idk - limiting it seems weird to me.
I quite agree (shock!). I didn't feel comfortable being the only one to talk in favour when everyone else seems so overwhelmingly against, but I don't really get the false equivalence of saying, "It's fine to have a childish character, they don't have to be a child!"

No, of course. But there's a difference in how you come across if you are a 15-year-old acting childishly, an 18-year-old acting childishly, and a 35-year-old acting childishly. A 15-year-old character experiencing their first love will come across different from a 35-year-old experiencing first love. You don't look down on a 15-year-old for crying his eyes out because he missed the release date for a new game that came out and now he has to *GASP* play it a day later! But if an adult did that, well, that certainly comes across different!

It just feels like a shame to limit characters because you prefer to wield the base assumption that people are bad-faith actors over trusting other roleplayers to be mature people. Someone pointed out we're all getting up there in age, and plenty are now in the 30+ range. So it just seems a bit...disappointing to me that we then say, "Okay, everyone might be older now, but we can't trust you to understand what is and is not appropriate to write about."
"Once upon a time I was a baker and everybody was impressed. But I didnā€™t need approvalā€…becauseā€…I already knewā€…I was the best. Everything I madeā€…was a masterpiece - it all taste like heaven! But then unfortunately I turned seven."
pronounshe/him
818written posts
illidan mainearned bits
offlinecurrently
illidan main
Part of the Furniture
illidan main Avatar
also realistically what's the worst that can happen on an 18+ site, someone writes smth gross involving a kid that isn't real so u ban them and delete the content?

seems like a flimsy reason to ban the other 99.5% of your memberbase from playing characters.

avatar and hover by phobic art, commissioned for me
stultifera navis
aliasnines
pronounsshe/her
583written posts
ninelieearned bits
offlinecurrently
ninelie
Part of the Furniture
ninelie Avatar
VOLITION [Medium: Success]
illidan main Avatar
also realistically what's the worst that can happen on an 18+ site, someone writes smth gross involving a kid that isn't real so u ban them and delete the content?

seems like a flimsy reason to ban the other 99.5% of your memberbase from playing characters.
Actually, something did happen, granted it was on a RL site, but this person actively wrote a gr00mer, played out the very disgusting scenario with their friends, and went on to defend their writing as "artistic creativity". I'm not kidding you. Even after the RPC (rightfully so) had decided to distance themselves from this person for their gross misconduct, they decide to write a full manifesto complaining about how their fantasies were being wrongly judged and limited because "it's just fiction".

So no, it's not a flimsy reason, especially when I have seen it firsthand what the worst can actually happen.




MOD NOTE: while we feel that this post brings merit to the current discussion, and have decided to refrain from its removal, please do not continue to reference this specific event or bring up any additional previous dramas or else your post(s) may be removed.
last edit on Nov 11, 2024 20:28:21 GMT by ulla
the endless hunt
aliasleto, blobert, crow
pronounshe / they
1,587written posts
ullaearned bits
offlinecurrently
ulla
Administrator
ulla Avatar
in turning divine, we tangle endlessly

re the child character discussion: at the end of the day i think that it mostly just comes down to differences in people's comfort and the different kind of environments that people look for in a site, and the reality is that there's no blanket answer that will work for everyone.

people in here have already been pretty honest about perfectly good-faith reasons why they prefer to write in settings where the players and/or characters are only adults, and i don't think an 18+ restriction means that everyone holds those assumptions that everyone who likes to write younger characters is a bad faith actor (ironically i think that assuming this is the only reason someone may implement this restriction is taking it in bad-faith). ultimately, a staff team will set rules based on their preferences, comfort, and what they personally are looking for in the community they are creating. it may seem silly to someone who acts in good faith and sees the value in having the opportunity to write younger characters, but i don't really think that anyone has the right to make blanket judgments of either camp. there are situations where either are appropriate, and i imagine there are settings where not allowing minors to participate or be written is more understandable than others, but at the end of the day none of us have the right to tell the people that formed a site what content they should or should not be comfortable moderating.

this ultimately is a further extension on some of the points that were made on pixel somewhat recently regarding the different things that people look for in an rp site, and i personally don't think that assigning morality is particularly fair. i think that the people in here that have had good experiences being able to write younger characters have gotten value out of those opportunities, and i hope you all continue to have good experiences. i also think that the people in here that prefer 18+ communities have the right to hold that boundary and seek those spaces as well.

(as a personal anecdote, i have been involved in a situation where there were legitimate concerns that ooc grooming was happening to a minor on a site i was staffing. while this isn't completely applicable to the conversation of "well if i as an adult wish to write a minor in perfectly acceptable scenarios, that should be okay", generally, age boundaries exist to protect both adults and minors, and it definitely can be far more serious than just 'remove the content')
last edit on Nov 11, 2024 22:16:50 GMT by ulla
praise the cats!
aliasthomas, breezescodes
pronounshe/him
899written posts
bcearned bits
offlinecurrently
bc
Summer '19 Bingo Completionist
bc Avatar
this is my murder mittens ^-^
people are allowed to be uncomfortable w/ writing/seeing children being rped, but i donā€™t rlly think thereā€™s usually anything that deep abt it tbh. most people self-regulate themselves. and iā€™ve often observed on sites that certain people quite literally never interact / rp with each other in the first place. if the mere idea that it exists on the site or you might see references to the minor in discord chats makes you (general) uncomfortable so you decide not to join, thatā€™s totally understandable! but i donā€™t think a ban is always necessary, even if site content skews more mature leaning. that doesnā€™t mean the minor character has to interact with every mature subject / or canā€™t interact with some of it, and it doesnā€™t mean they will completely stand out if they donā€™t interact with all of it.

if there is a genuine problem and harm being done for any reason - that should be addressed by staff. people are at different stages in their life even if theyā€™re the same age, and as long as that holds true, some people will always be more vulnerable irregardless of rper age rules (which i assume exist more so because people perceive similar age group peers as more understandable to them not because of concerns of potential abuse between players)

-

back to the original topic of rp ratings; this is in fact the point of having rules and guidelines no? the rp rating is as simple and not entirely comprehensive as it is because itā€™s supposed to give you a very quick glance and understanding, but it will never be able to substitute in for actual guidelines that clarify what is and isnā€™t permissible. even within rp ratings, it has always had ambiguous meaning and been up to sites to clarify what each rating means. from that stand point, rp ratings are often a solely surface-level advertising gimmick catered toward the widest interest, but it does serve a use, i think, in terms of concisely summing up the general tone of a siteā€™s allowances

i definitely sympathise with ā€œsite was advertised as no hold bars had actual bars, isnā€™t this false advertisingā€. i've had conversations in the past about how admins donā€™t always thoroughly consider what theyā€™re actually okay with being on their site, or how that doesnā€™t always align with community expectations / maybe because it wasnā€™t made clear enough or whatever else reason. worse, when the community makes blanket judgement statements about ā€œnone of the icky stuffā€ and donā€™t clarify what exactly that is? beyond unhelpful to me as someone who has generally permissible feelings towards most things so i guess iā€™m self-censoring everything now wheee

i do think a very useful admin rp resource would be likeā€¦ template rules i guess? or a comprehensive / thorough guide on what things admins should consider when they're writing their rules to ensure everyone is on the same page about what kind of site theyā€™re on.

besides that obvi some people will still make complaints, and the admin will either need to reaffirm their own site rules & make it clear to the person about xyz or re-evaluate the rules based on the community vibes. sites do change, and it does really fucking suck when a site that originally said it was totally fine to rp xyz come sink several hours of interest and investment into us reneges on that, which is why i think admins really should consider their values for their sites thoroughly and stand firm with them - but ultimately admins will do whatever they feel is best for the site

anyway tho i do think most people are pretty reasonable / understanding that not every site will suit them. sometimes it just takes some communication to clarify that this maybe isnā€™t a site that theyā€™ll vibe or be comfortable on
last edit on Nov 12, 2024 5:32:38 GMT by bc
258written posts
The Lawearned bits
offlinecurrently
The Law
Senior Member
The Law Avatar
I can definitely attest to the vague and often arbitrary nature of the L/S/V system, which I think I can say hadn't aged well in light of the paradigm shifts that had occurred within the hobby. Case and point, I helped out in an advisory capacity for a friend's Discord RP, and he says he wants it to be age-gated for 18+ writers, and rated 3/3/3 for content. So I'm like, "yeah, fair enough" and we set up the RPing channels for NSFW.

But then we ran into a bit of a brick wall when I raised an issue - just because it's a 3 for sexual content doesn't make it anything-goes, because hoo boy, NSFW is a very broad umbrella. Like, are we just talking about vanilla smut? What about more... Niche fetishes such as NTR, BDSM, incest, non-con, etc.? And let's not even get started on hardcore shit like scat, ryona, necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, guro, etc.

In the end, we came to a consensus on a separate set of guidelines on NSFW RPs. I.e. We'll only allow vanilla to be RPed on the channel with mutual consent by the involved parties, and that the more "out there" kinks and fetishes like non-con, ryona, etc. to be taken to DM's. Pedophilia, necrophilia, ero guro and other gross stuff are a strict no-no, so there's that.

A multi-anime shared universe high school RP, est. 2016! In the process of restructuring and rebooting! Estimated re-opening date: End 2024 to Q1 2025
aliasvelk, cyan
pronounsshe/her
67written posts
safi'jiivaearned bits
offlinecurrently
safi'jiiva
Junior Member
safi'jiiva Avatar
sometimes, things that are edgy are cool
bc Avatar
snip snip 

back to the original topic of rp ratings; this is in fact the point of having rules and guidelines no? the rp rating is as simple and not entirely comprehensive as it is because itā€™s supposed to give you a very quick glance and understanding, but it will never be able to substitute in for actual guidelines that clarify what is and isnā€™t permissible. even within rp ratings, it has always had ambiguous meaning and been up to sites to clarify what each rating means. from that stand point, rp ratings are often a solely surface-level advertising gimmick catered toward the widest interest, but it does serve a use, i think, in terms of concisely summing up the general tone of a siteā€™s allowances



honestly think this cuts to the crux of the matter with rp ratings and what's allowed perfectly.

if you consider it more of a rating system of what you might find akin to a game being rated PEGI E > 18, it works a lot better as each site will have specifics that it does not want and these are clearly lined out in the rules. not every movie has everything that could make it 18+, but they would still be 18+ - speaking from experience a lot of people would like the room to explore more complex topics that would not be suitable for children and don't want to have smut roaming wild on their forums.

i personally think that anything not outlined as banned in the rules that isn't completely in the pale is fair game though, if it fits the setting. as someone who likes to include a good bit horror and dark material in their characters and plotlines, I have run into people asking me to tone down some of the more extreme things and that is completely fine, or including trigger warnings. i prefer the latter because i'd rather not change things, but i don't mind slapping cw eye trauma, suicidal ideation on a post.

on a final note, i don't think that "no holds barred" is actually a realistic expectation for an rp. there will always be something that someone doesn't like exploring or want to see, and when people find that they are personally allowed to back away from exploring that. there's no need to police what other people write naturally, but people are allowed to be squicked out by things and request them to be tagged/not explored with them.
299written posts
travellerearned bits
offlinecurrently
traveller
Senior Member
traveller Avatar
I think ratings are nice to help guide potential members as to expectations, but if you have specific things you'd rather not see, it's fine to be specific and open about that. Just because you've rated your site such that someone could write something that raises your hackles, doesn't mean you have to accept it.

"BuT ThiS RatINg MeaNS"
No need to even discuss it. Simply let the member know you don't want that on your site, end of. If they try to argue, ban them. It's your site, you don't owe them an opportunity to write there.
"Once upon a time I was a baker and everybody was impressed. But I didnā€™t need approvalā€…becauseā€…I already knewā€…I was the best. Everything I madeā€…was a masterpiece - it all taste like heaven! But then unfortunately I turned seven."
pronounshe/him
818written posts
illidan mainearned bits
offlinecurrently
illidan main
Part of the Furniture
illidan main Avatar
so like i guess i should clarify that my issue with ratings is: it really does feel like it's expected for your site to be 3-3-3 or you're restricting creativity, when most sites are not comfortable with that and do not write on that level. which sucks if you DO want to write stuff, because the site rules say "you can do this" but no one really wants you to do it. therefore it creates a meaningless system kinda akin to what PG has become.

to clarify, PG used to mean something in terms of restrictions and ratings, but has become more watered down to the point where now if you don't make a family film PG, you're not making a family film that's going to make money. therefore it kinda turns PG into "the default" and G into something seen as "for babies" and I feel that's happening with 3-3-3.

I no longer use the system and merely outline what my expectations are in levels of content that I do not want to see on my site at all, and what I'm ok with as backstory vs RP plots. I kinda feel like if someone would rather see numbers that are becoming more and more performative and useless by the day, and not "no sexual assault as storyline" written in the rules, they're probably not someone I would want on the site regardless.

avatar and hover by phobic art, commissioned for me