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Added my pfp and icon credit! It is by the lovely Yakito Lulu. Please go support them by giving them a like/subscribe <3

Yeah, there's two different conversations being conflated into one. One is financially supporting/exploiting theft and advertisement of theft services, and the other is being too much of a wuss to ask permission (I am the wuss). The latter can be mitigated by free advertisement for the artists via credits, whereas the former can't be mitigated with proper credits without confronting the theft machine aspect.

Again, it's totally ppls prerogative what they do just like its my prerogative to have my own haterisms. I write with anyone regardless of their imagery idgaf

irl rp... NOW we're talking!!!!
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That's where art credit comes in. Which, I agree, isn't the answer we're looking for, but it does give an audience member/exposure to the artist.

Which is where AI art credits fails to deliver. Even if used recreationally, RPers that use AI simulators are essentially training it to perfect its unethical craft by feeding it data collection. The image simulated may be yours, but the data in the machine will be used again and again and again, which will benefit the inevitable client that will monetize it. Artist benefits nothing.

I think recreationally a compromise could be crediting an AI art piece as: Midjourney, inspired by the style of Loish. Still not the answer, but at least an artist benefits something from this niche community lol.
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Yeah, no one should be attacked for using AI art, regardless if they were aware or not. Apologies if my post came off that way, I'm only constructively engaging a conversation. When I wrote "protect artists" that does not imply attack someone maliciously on the internet, that simply implies, please use that money to commission working artists that can draw your OC rather than paying for a machine that frankensteins human information from working artists that don't consent it. Whether you do or not is simply your own prerogative.

As I said a few posts ago, I'll still RP with anyone regardless of their art, but can't say the same for others in that regard.

Quick addendum: it's a fine line in the creative world but... emulating/inspired by =/= theft. Majority of artists do allow pfp use, which includes hovers and whatnot, therefore editing is allowed. Majority of artists do NOT allow their art to be used for AI simulators, which is why we see artists taking down their art from public sites. Art credits DOES make things better, because it tells me where you got your art from whether that is from an artist or idk Midjourney. Like, imagine passing in a research paper to your professor without citing your bibliography or footnotes, haha. That's crazy.

Another (related) confession: I think ppl who use AI art shouldn't get fc claims. Because at that point the art doesn't look like idk Nami from One Piece, but an entirely different character. Might as well just credit it as Original from Original Series. Which imo is fine.
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My two cents WRT AI art is that it begets the question of hypocrisy. An understandable rule of thumb in the general RPC that ChatGPT is ethically wrong, but somehow AI art isn't. It tells me that we protect writers, but not artists. Wont stop me from rping with someone, but I will sigh. 

I have no idea how you see chatgpt the same as ai art. Nor do i even know that rpc had a stand about chatgpt lol. The posts i’ve seen of people rping with chatgpt looked like very lonely folks who are getting too deep into something they know is wrong.


Both ChatGPT and AI art depend on the simulation of human intelligence processed by machines. :-[ Legitimizing one sets the precedent for another.
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My two cents WRT AI art is that it begets the question of hypocrisy. An understandable rule of thumb in the general RPC that ChatGPT is ethically wrong, but somehow AI art isn't. It tells me that we protect writers, but not artists. Wont stop me from rping with someone, but I will sigh. 

That being said... my faceclaim confession is that I love it when fanartists draw fcs in diverse attires disparate from the canon.