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Post by Chibi Magician on Jul 27, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
I have a few more I thought of...
When members expect staff to be 100% perfect and make no errors. Especially when they get angry and argue over it. Please, remember we are human too.
When members don't ask questions when they are confused/don't understand something. We attempt to make places where members can ask questions to their hearts desire. This especially becomes an issue when they start making assumptions on the unknown topic.
When members ask for opinions and then get angry when provided constructive criticism. I will include when members get angry over application requirements and feedback when corrections need making because the character is over-powered, not meeting minimums, or impossible events from lore/plot information. This one is also for when I am a member, but I dislike seeing it as staff more, mostly because I have witness is upset and deter members.
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amorphous blob
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Post by ulla on Jul 27, 2018 15:27:34 GMT
this thread: [exists] mods: 
i ugly laughed really hard because i genuinely did open this thread sweating bullets, but everyone seems to be handling it really civilly and i'm proud of you all
anyway, i have a couple pet peeves which i think have been touched on in this thread already but:
- when guests jump into the cbox with the classic "so what's this site about?" instead of bothering to read the informational threads i spent half my life force writing
- when i'm alerted to a problem but not given any info on what the problem is. like pls don't just sent me a screenshot of this paragraph and not tell me where the typo is. i know it's there bc i suck, but obviously i don't know where otherwise it wouldn't be there. hlep
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Post by 「イオタ」 on Jul 27, 2018 15:41:10 GMT
When members don't ask questions when they are confused/don't understand something. I should add this to my post. At every site I've staffed at, there was always someone made a huge stream of assumptions (though I imagine that's a little different to your point). Sometimes, they would even leave the site because they assumed certain things rather than ask about them. For example "I'm uncomfortable because I don't know if my char can even swear since the chat is censored so I'm leaving." I've gotten that so many times. So, it's like 1.) our site says "rated teen/older teen/etc," and specify that swearing ICly is allowed in the rules. 2.) There are a handful of chars who already swear and you would know that if you just read around. XD So, yeah, this definiely ^ when people don't ask questions. Other times there will be people who refuse to ask questions and then have a heep load of errors in their apps and get angry and frustrated because they don't understand. Just ask, guys, it's good for both you and the staff members.~ It usually goes like this: you should register in all lowercase so we know you've read the rules. I involuntarily made a "rule" like this, and basically... my rule was "register your OOC account first, it's mandatory." It was the first rule in the rules, and so many people would ignore it and jus tmake an OOC first. So, I could tell they didn't read the rules... However, it later became clear that was not always the case. A lot of people did read the rules (I could tell after they immediately mentioned something else that was in the rules), but there was an issue with either skimming or "blind formatting," basically the eyes naturally scroll over something. So, I changed the formatting a little, and I've had less issues since. Personally, I'm so accustomed to signing-up all uppercase because that's what I always do (I don't require it at my site, I just like how uniform it is on the drop menu XD) that I accidentally did that at a site that required lowercase even though I read the rules! It was an immediate "DOH!" So, this "trick" is not fool proof no matter what.
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Post by murk on Jul 27, 2018 16:28:36 GMT
there are two that really get to me.
- when a guest/new member joins the cbox/discord and asks a question in regards to the site that is word for word in the rules/plot/other info threads. i get wanting to feel out the community before joining, i do not understand joining before reading anything informational. i get posing questions in regards to the information threads like 'why did you decide to use this location for the rp?' but not something as simple as 'can i use rl face claims?'
- when someone puts together an application that looks as though it has taken them a lot of time and effort to put together, with it being lengthy and it has thought out symbolism w/ew/e the member decides to put in. but you have to pend it. because it breaks site lore or guidelines or because the character is just simply too op. when you try to elaborate in the pending message that you're genuinely just trying to get the character up to fitting within guidelines and then the person just ghosts bc they got pended. ;-; just let me help you.
a hybrid of both: when people put a lot of time and effort into applications and it becomes increasingly clear that they didn't read any information beforehand due to the way they present information.
ik these sound specific but they aren't. ;; it just hurts me man.
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Post by von on Jul 27, 2018 16:33:15 GMT
I involuntarily made a "rule" like this, and basically... my rule was "register your OOC account first, it's mandatory." It was the first rule in the rules, and so many people would ignore it and jus tmake an OOC first. So, I could tell they didn't read the rules... However, it later became clear that was not always the case. A lot of people did read the rules (I could tell after they immediately mentioned something else that was in the rules), but there was an issue with either skimming or "blind formatting," basically the eyes naturally scroll over something. So, I changed the formatting a little, and I've had less issues since. Personally, I'm so accustomed to signing-up all uppercase because that's what I always do (I don't require it at my site, I just like how uniform it is on the drop menu XD) that I accidentally did that at a site that required lowercase even though I read the rules! It was an immediate "DOH!" So, this "trick" is not fool proof no matter what. rip tho bc the skin on header has it yet the problem still occurs. I dont get the excuse of /skimming/ bc just whyyy?? it's a rule and a broken rule is a broken rule. If the member made a serious problem and made an excuse of 'oh i missed it sorry', it doesn't sound right. it's just there so that i would know those who skimmed/didnt read. And I can even relate to people who've registered in all uppercase or in sentence case and then changed it immediately. But it's quite abnormal for it to persist in, like, a day to a week after registration. But i'm pretty patient with people who dont do the all lowercase/uppercase rule and instead PM them about it. But at the same time, you'll be astonished as to the amount of people who just skims/pass through rules.
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Post by troye saivon on Jul 27, 2018 17:12:24 GMT
im just gonna say i dont read site rules or info (maybe ill skim it). and if its like a fandom rp i either wont read or just barely read any of the information there and just wing it on apps (though i usually check out the apps to get all relevant info for filling out mine).
^ proud of this proud of me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 8:31:04 GMT
tbh i have the patience of a saint for most things but nothing cuts that short like making it obvious you didn't actually read a damn thing and you just expect me to sit here and hold your hand/summarize the entire site to you in the limited characters available to me in the cbox.
I am 100% that admin that will tell you everything is in the rule board until you read it. I will copy paste that bloody message until you come back with a question not answered in the rules (or that I can't remember covering.... in which case guess what? still didn't get me. I double check my own effing rule threads before I answer you. Read the threads >:C)
Genuine questions to clarify things and not (what are the rules of this forum?) type things are one thing but the essentially want to be told everything in the rule threads one on one isn't going to happen. Those threads are there for a reason. And I get some people use these kinds of questions to "gauge" the community but frankly, do yourself a favor and ask for a clarification of an already present rule. All you do by using those kinds of questions is put yourself on my watch list because now I have to make sure you actually read AND follow those rules because I do not trust you now. I don't know who is doing that because they really didn't read the rules and don't care what they are and who's fishing for a response (not to mention i find fishing is often manipulative and that sets me off too) to judge.
also minimodding on MAJOR rules. If it's basic stuff like "can i use my hand drawn ocs here?" which isn't always covered in the rules but has been answered before, I am A-ok with members doing that but when it's major stuff like having to do with powers or plot that's not already 100% answered in the posts and threads given to you, please direct that to a staff member because you as a regular member do not know what's being hidden in the background and held onto for events and the like. You don't get to decide what kind of stuff like that flies and what doesn't.
Also if you ever come on my site and play the "Oh you want that fc? well guess what to bad i finished my char with that same oc before you!!!!" behavior i will smack your hands with a ruler and you may just get a 24hr forum ban for it. We do not play those games in my house, don't be a rude ass. (it's one thing when it's a genuine you got there first but I have seen people that literally only used FCs that people said they were going to use and when we're on the third or fourth case of that it's really suspicious and we're not going to do that here ok)
disclaimer: I am a lady of exaggerations and taking anything i say literal is bad for your health, nearly all cases where staff must deal with a member is best dealt with on a case by case basis and I whole heartedly believe in talking with a member first and foremost but when someone knowingly continues to do something I am a firm believer that some sort of consequence must be given to prevent it from continuing to occur and hurt the community at large.
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Post by Clear on Jul 28, 2018 9:23:37 GMT
hey is this thread active?
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amorphous blob
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Post by ulla on Jul 28, 2018 14:32:15 GMT
hey is this thread active?
this triggered me so hard
"hey is this site active..?"
meanwhile there's an active conversation going on in chat and there have been 84782372 ic threads updated in the last 24 hours but... idk man looks p inactive to me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:15:08 GMT
I want to start off with "is this ____ active?"It's literally the equivalent to customer service complaints. Actually you know what? That's the equivalent for a lot of rp pet peeves. But God, yes, the member soapboxing is awful. But you know what's worse? When people make it a pissing contest of who's had the worse day. "Man, work was busy today. I had to do this in x amount of time." "Oh yeah? Well I had to plan my dad's funeral within a span of 3 minutes. Get on my level, sweaty. (:" Like... Okay. Thanks for that, I think. I don't know how to respond. Was your dad's funeral as awful as that competitive nature of yours? I also really hate when people complain about face claims being used. "Man, that's the only face claim I can think of. :/" That's rough, kid. How about I direct you to a face claim resource site? No? Then perish. Oh, and members harrassing others in the chat box with "did you post for me yet?" Do you see a post? No? Then no, they didn't. It only takes a moment of your time to pull your head out of your ass and check. I have plenty more to throw in here, but I actually have to take the time and sit down to think of them l;kasdjf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:06:50 GMT
On that competition note, I hate it when members start to bicker about who got the least amount of sleep. "I only got 4 hours sleep tonight", "Wow lucky, I've only had two hours in last two days" and so on etc. Why... and they sound so proud from the lack of sleep and being the one who got the least. No prize .. please move along now.
And timezone issues. Not being respectful that there is other timezones than yours and not everyone's gonna be on when you are.
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Post by Togasko on Jul 28, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
Been an admin to a couple groups, not on forums as of yet. BUT IT STIL COUNTS! But it ticks me off when members clearly dont listen to whats not allowed and what is. And takes it upon themselves to just go on and do it anyway which left me all like "ARE YOU SEROUS?! idiot, what did i just say bout that?!"
And then theres this other thing where a problem member just goes to another staffer to see if they can overrule/overpower you into saying yes or something.
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Post by Sharp Dressed Man on Jul 28, 2018 19:25:40 GMT
no but the ESSENCE of that rule was so that the admins would know u've read the rules...... It usually goes like this: you should register in all lowercase so we know you've read the rules. also flare active threads can be customized on css but the code isnt given on the regular stylesheets. any HTML on jcink can be manipulated. I can see a rule like that being handy to know who is paying attention, although I feel like it is sort of a throwback to the days of hiding a password to the application board in the rules (albeit more subtle). In my school of thought I try to remove rules if the forum software can get the same outcome. For example if I don't want them to post in the IC threads before they are accepted I can just make it so new accounts can't do that until they are sorted in a group. When members don't ask questions when they are confused/don't understand something. We attempt to make places where members can ask questions to their hearts desire. This especially becomes an issue when they start making assumptions on the unknown topic. there are two that really get to me. - when a guest/new member joins the cbox/discord and asks a question in regards to the site that is word for word in the rules/plot/other info threads. i get wanting to feel out the community before joining, i do not understand joining before reading anything informational. i get posing questions in regards to the information threads like 'why did you decide to use this location for the rp?' but not something as simple as 'can i use rl face claims?' I believe the reason some people don't ask questions is because they are afraid of being "that guy" in Murk's post. I hate asking questions because when I was a younger roleplayer an immature admin burned me for missing some obscure information in their lore that I could not find.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:29:46 GMT
And then theres this other thing where a problem member just goes to another staffer to see if they can overrule/overpower you into saying yes or something. Omg this i forgot about this. This drives me up a wall its like when a child gets told no by parent A so they go to B hoping to hear something different and then has a tanrtum when they dont or gets to delight in watching their parents argue over them getting what they want. Seriously, unless you asked a mod about something major first or a higher staffer COMES TO YOU WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT dont drill the ENTIRE staff team about the same queation as if its going change! Even if just one person says yes if the admin says no thats the effing answer. Not to mention you could end up making the one that said yes feel like shit for messing up by doing that. Its not a positive or good behavior just dont do it.
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Post by zero on Jul 28, 2018 19:57:39 GMT
And then theres this other thing where a problem member just goes to another staffer to see if they can overrule/overpower you into saying yes or something. Omg this i forgot about this. This drives me up a wall its like when a child gets told no by parent A so they go to B hoping to hear something different and then has a tanrtum when they dont or gets to delight in watching their parents argue over them getting what they want. Seriously, unless you asked a mod about something major first or a higher staffer COMES TO YOU WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT dont drill the ENTIRE staff team about the same queation as if its going change! Even if just one person says yes if the admin says no thats the effing answer. Not to mention you could end up making the one that said yes feel like shit for messing up by doing that. Its not a positive or good behavior just dont do it. This amuses me not only because it's happened in rp, but it's happened to me irl too. I've had a person come to me for advice, not like the answer, speak to my manager, not like their answer, then raise a call to the helpline which...comes straight back to me to answer xD
People can be very reluctant to accept answers they don't like. I imagine it's a form of confirmation bias, in that as long as they can get one staffer to agree, they're good to go.
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